Hard Talk How Many Sikhs Have Married Out Of Caste/race?

[Lee]

Re: How many sikhs have married out of Caste/Race

Lee ji,

Have you or did ur ancestors come from China.

As Lee is a typcal Chinese surname, you remind me of the most famous lee i.e Bruce Lee.

Sorry this is not to offend you but to illustrate that when you use a surname or an ethinic name you are usually recognised in society in that aspect.

When you are Baptised thus you become a Singh or Kaur and use them as a Surname which usually defines that you are a Sikh.

Most of the people don't even use Singh or Kaur in their names but still create a lot of fuss and deceive people in the name of Equality (no caste difference).

The caste is similar to class which you should be aware of. As high class people don't associate, socialise or get married to a low class or some other class in general. The crux of the matter is MONEY (financial or social standing).

Which is hard for people to ignore specially at the time of marriage !

Hope you got some insight on the topic.

Hahahah no no no, I'm British. My first name is Lee, my mother named me after Lee Majors(the six million dollar man). As to class yeah we still have a class system in this country but it is false to claim that there are not marriges amongst the classes, as we all intermingle in our day to day lives. And yes in this country class has more to do with wealth than family.

for example, I come from a large working class family, so I shall always be working class. I am though not poor haveing a good job as I do, and so my children can be said to be middle class.

 

[singhbj]

Re: How many sikhs have married out of Caste/Race

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Jolly good !

But it would have been great if you were related to Bruce Lee (more famous & rich than Lee Majors) or even better, if you have been heir of Lee jeans worldwide !

I would have been pleased to make your acquaintance if you were staying in Kensington or Bishops Avenue.

 

[kds1980]

Have you or did ur ancestors come from China.

As Lee is a typcal Chinese surname, you remind me of the most famous lee i.e Bruce Lee.

Dear singh bj

Do you watch cricket ? The world's fastest bowler is brett lee and he is australian not chinese.His brother too was in Australian cricket team shane lee .so I don't think that lee is chinese surname only

 

[Lee]

Re: How many sikhs have married out of Caste/Race

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Jolly good !

But it would have been great if you were related to Bruce Lee (more famous & rich than Lee Majors) or even better, if you have been heir of Lee jeans worldwide !

I would have been pleased to make your acquaintance if you were staying in Kensington or Bishops Avenue.

Singhbj ji,

I actualy work in Kensington, it would be kinda cool to meet one lunch time perhaps?

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Lee in chinese,if Das is not mistakem is meant by sweet.In hindi it is verb,for 'to take'.So may have some other meaning in west.

 

[Archived_member3]

I never got married - there are no Sikhs in Brazil BTW - and I'm aging (57). A poll doesn't reflect my status. How to answer it? I need a partner with whom to share my thoughts and plans. What Gurbani says about?

Brazilian Kaur

 

[ameet]

I think the question does not accurately encapture the decisions one would make to marry out of caste/race or tribe. I am jatt and my husband is saini and it really wasn't an issue. I guess because we live in Canada we're likely more lax and open with marrying across caste then perhaps if we lived in another part of the world. It only seemed to matter if you were still in undergraduate (university) when everyone's identity is more heightened. After you graduate and are on your own in the working world and establishing yourself, I think your generally too busy to become fussed over such petty issues. I don't think that caste will have any difference on how we practice our religion or raise a family as the religion is the same if you follow Sri Guru Granth Sahib. However, although I married someone out of caste, I'm not sure if I would necessarily have married someone out of race. The question appears to group everyone in the same category if you happened to marry out of caste.

 

[singhbj]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Ameet ji,

"I am jatt and my husband is saini and it really wasn't an issue."
The way you put this across shows that inside you still have a feeling of pride being higher class of the two.

Moreso how can you still say you are Jat as after marriage you are Saini !

This show's reality of the situation.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 

[Lee]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Ameet ji,

"I am jatt and my husband is saini and it really wasn't an issue."
The way you put this across shows that inside you still have a feeling of pride being higher class of the two.

Moreso how can you still say you are Jat as after marriage you are Saini !

This show's reality of the situation.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Even more so how can you say you are either Jatt or Saini, after you become a Kaur?

The point is not that caste becomes meaningless, the point is that now there is no such thing as caste.

 

[KiranC]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Ameet ji,

"I am jatt and my husband is saini and it really wasn't an issue."
The way you put this across shows that inside you still have a feeling of pride being higher class of the two.

Moreso how can you still say you are Jat as after marriage you are Saini !

This show's reality of the situation.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

ermmm no... Ameet ji said it wasn't an issue-hence it not being a problem and her not feeling pride. If she did feel that much pride then I am sure that she wouldn't have married a Saini. (not that I am insulting you Ameet ji...I mean that caste didn't matter to you...as if it did you wouldn't have married someone out of caste!)

Why is she a Saini after marriage? If a Christian marries a Sikh, the Christian does not automatically become a Sikh do they-don't they have to convert? So why should it be the case here? Jatt, Saini it doesn't matter, Ameet ji is SIKH and that is the most important thing to be looking at here.

Singh bj

How old are you just out of interest? And you didn't answer my previous question-why does caste matter to you so much...can you explain it to me please? I always believed a Sikh is a Sikh full stop-regardless of caste because we don't believe in caste. I'm sorry but your belief in it shows that you shouldn't have Singh in your name- you are supporting what the Gurus wanted to get rid of.

 

[singhbj]

I never got married - there are no Sikhs in Brazil BTW - and I'm aging (57). A poll doesn't reflect my status. How to answer it? I need a partner with whom to share my thoughts and plans. What Gurbani says about?

Brazilian Kaur

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Brazilian Kaur ji,

It is ideal if you could find someone from your own background i.e Brazilian Singh.
This is lot more convenient, the Singh would share the same language, culture etc there would be no problems in adjusting & adapting after marriage for both of you.

On the other hand you can very well find some (Singh regardless of the race) on the matrimonial sites.

If you are willing to travel then you can attend events like

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Summer Solstice Sadhana Celebration
Ram Das Puri, Española, New Mexico
June 19 – June 28, 2008
White Tantric Yoga, June 24 – June 26


You might meet someone down there.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh​

 

[Archived_member3]

I thank you very much but I'd like to be 'found'. For personal reasons - health problems and lack of companionship - it would be better if someone could be interested to meet me. I want to find a widower with a high interest in crating a small circle for Gurbani studies; preferably a retired man with possibilities to live in Brazil, southern region.

BK

 

[ameet]

I think that the people commenting on my reply are missing the point and getting caught up with the semantics. I am pointing to the question indicated in the poll which does not encompass accurately the decision to marry out of caste versus race. I'm being quite frank by pointing out that both are not the same. And by the way, my last name is not Kaur as it has been incorrectly assumed. I have taken on my husband's last name when it comes to legal documents. I understand the dropping the last name but I have not done so and am comfortable with my decision to continue with keeping a last name. I still identify myself as a Sikh regardless of what last name I have. I don't have a superiority complex when it comes to caste which is just rubbish as again it was incorrectly assumed by other members responding. Do people actually have time to ponder about caste differences and who is better and who isn't?
As a word of caution to those reading, I am finding that after my post, people are quite judgemental and are quick to jump to their own conclusions without further clarification.

 

[ameet]

I think everyone needs to take a breather. Why does one assume that if you keep any last name that all of a sudden, oh my gosh, you should be shunned and dissapointed for not following the guru's teaching. Look, I just took on his last name, quite simply because I think its romantic! And, I want my children to have the identical last names as us. I like being addressed by Mr. and Mrs. 'qzxwrtz' when we're in social settings and traveling. His last name could have been qzxwrtz with whatever caste and it wouldn't have made a dang of a difference as long as he was Sikh.

 

[Lee]

I think that the people commenting on my reply are missing the point and getting caught up with the semantics. I am pointing to the question indicated in the poll which does not encompass accurately the decision to marry out of caste versus race. I'm being quite frank by pointing out that both are not the same. And by the way, my last name is not Kaur as it has been incorrectly assumed. I have taken on my husband's last name when it comes to legal documents. I understand the dropping the last name but I have not done so and am comfortable with my decision to continue with keeping a last name. I still identify myself as a Sikh regardless of what last name I have. I don't have a superiority complex when it comes to caste which is just rubbish as again it was incorrectly assumed by other members responding. Do people actually have time to ponder about caste differences and who is better and who isn't?
As a word of caution to those reading, I am finding that after my post, people are quite judgemental and are quick to jump to their own conclusions without further clarification.

Ameet ji,

Please accept my applogies. I did not mean to infer anything other than for Sikhs caste should just not be an issue, and my use of Kaur was to illustrate that you are Sikh and no way was intended as a slur on your marriage or the keeping of your husbands surname.

When you use such language as, 'I'm a Jatt, and my husband is a Saini' though it shows that you still ragard yourselves as being members of a caste. My point was only in relation to this, if you had said instead 'I was a Jatt' then I would not have posted as I did.

As to Semantics, we can only go by the words that we choose to use here, if by declaring 'I'm a Jatt' you did not actualy mean you are a Jatt, then how can I know that? I can only read what is in front of me, and by them words understand what you wanted to say.

 

[KiranC]

Ameet ji,

Please accept my applogies. I did not mean to infer anything other than for Sikhs caste should just not be an issue, and my use of Kaur was to illustrate that you are Sikh and no way was intended as a slur on your marriage or the keeping of your husbands surname.

When you use such language as, 'I'm a Jatt, and my husband is a Saini' though it shows that you still ragard yourselves as being members of a caste. My point was only in relation to this, if you had said instead 'I was a Jatt' then I would not have posted as I did.

As to Semantics, we can only go by the words that we choose to use here, if by declaring 'I'm a Jatt' you did not actualy mean you are a Jatt, then how can I know that? I can only read what is in front of me, and by them words understand what you wanted to say.

The only problem is I said i'm tharkan and my partner is jatt-thats not me thinking about my caste its the only way I knew how to explain what the problem was. Does the fact that I said that mean that I still regard caste as something in Sikhism. If I had simply said I met my partner and fell in love my parents disagree it wouldn't have explained why there was a problem as such.

Does that kind of make sense Lee? I'm not sure if it does or not :S

 

[Lee]

The only problem is I said i'm tharkan and my partner is jatt-thats not me thinking about my caste its the only way I knew how to explain what the problem was. Does the fact that I said that mean that I still regard caste as something in Sikhism. If I had simply said I met my partner and fell in love my parents disagree it wouldn't have explained why there was a problem as such.

Does that kind of make sense Lee? I'm not sure if it does or not :S

Yes that does make sense, now that you have explained it.

 

[KiranC]

Yes that does make sense, now that you have explained it.

So when Ameet ji said she was jatt and her husband Saini, it wasn't her regarding caste as something important more that she was trying to explain the situation so we could understand...I think that's how she meant it anyway! I know that's how I meant it!

 

[Lee]

So when Ameet ji said she was jatt and her husband Saini, it wasn't her regarding caste as something important more that she was trying to explain the situation so we could understand...I think that's how she meant it anyway! I know that's how I meant it!

I think the leason learnt here then is be clear on what you want to say, find the right words the first time.

 

[KiranC]

I think the leason learnt here then is be clear on what you want to say, find the right words the first time.

lol yeh! But if you're anything like me it takes a few times to get it right im afraid!