I Feel That A Lot Of Sikh's Are Spiritually Dead

[Theologian]

So all a Muslim has to do is pray 5 times a day to be considered faithful and spiritual? What if the Muslim rarely prayed 5 times a day, but still had tremendous love for God and humanity, and devoted his life to doing charity work?



I didn't understand this last part, can you please elaborate?

No a Muslim does not just have to do that, but just as a small example.

Our actions and obeying Gods commands as best as possible reflects how much effort we put in and hence how much love we have for God. I agree that someone's love for God is the root for all these other things to fall in place.

 

[Theologian]

It is possible that you are talking of religion and not of spirituality. It must be understood that spirituality is not the same as religion.

Agreed religion and spirituality totally differ, big difference in todays times.

 

[Theologian]

Yeah, might be more accurate to say 'lots of spiritually dead Punjabis'. As you said, if the spirit is not vibrant, you are not among the Sikhs.

Well put Sir.

 

[lionprinceuk]

When you try to turn dharma into religion, things like this happen to spirituality.

 

[Theologian]

When you try to turn dharma into religion, things like this happen to spirituality.

Please further explanation needed. Are you saying that Sanskrit to Granth?

 

[sukhsingh]

Please further explanation needed. Are you saying that Sanskrit to Granth?

Sanskrit is a language? Granth is a body of work..?

 

[Sikhilove]

Sikhi isn't a religion, Truth can't belong to a religion, hence there is no Hindu or Muslim.

 

[RD1]

Sikhi isn't a religion, Truth can't belong to a religion, hence there is no Hindu or Muslim.

So then what is Sikhi? And where is the Truth?

 

[sukhsingh]

So then what is Sikhi? And where is the Truth?

To quote hamlet To be,or not to be;that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or,to take arms against a sea of troubles, And,by opposing,end them.To die,to sleep-

 

[Sikhilove]

So then what is Sikhi? And where is the Truth?

Its everything u see and all that you dont. Its literally staring u in the face but your ego doesn't let u see past the bullsh*t.

 

[sukhsingh]

The search for truth?

 

[Pathfinder]

Sikhi isn't a religion

True,
Sikhism is a religion.
Sikhi is a state of mind.
A Sikh is one who - with the guidance of Sikhism tries to achieve Sikhi by drawing strength and inspiration from the Nanak's.

Truth can't belong to a religion,

True,
It is the religion that has to always belong to the truth though - as it does, always has and always will.

 

[Sikhilove]

True,
Sikhism is a religion.
Sikhi is a state of mind.
A Sikh is one who - with the guidance of Sikhism tries to achieve Sikhi by drawing strength and inspiration from the Nanak's.



True,
It is the religion that has to always belong to the truth though - as it does, always has and always will.

There Is No religion.

There is only the Truth, anything other than Truth is an illusion.

People walk around calling a horse a goat. This is the state of the world.

 

[Sikhilove]

The search for truth?

You don't need to look for it, it's everything you see and everything you don't, all is Him. Recognise it and live in service of it, live in Truth Remembrance of Nirboah and Nirvair- that's real meditation.

 

[lionprinceuk]

Please further explanation needed. Are you saying that Sanskrit to Granth?

To give a frank answer in this instant - it is colonialism that introduced the definition of sikhism to colonial indians, in contrast to sikhi and sikh panth. Also introduced was the concept of following religion and God, both western and abrahamic concepts. This was all part of the divide and conquer strategies employed.

I have observed in many peoples that being sikh has just turned in ritual, ie religion. The dharmik aspect has been lost which was carried with the desi culture. Some families have been taking amrit since British times but their view seems rather Christian like, ie more for the ritual.

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

To give a frank answer in this instant - it is colonialism that introduced the definition of sikhism to colonial indians, in contrast to sikhi and sikh panth. Also introduced was the concept of following religion and God, both western and abrahamic concepts. This was all part of the divide and conquer strategies employed.

I have observed in many peoples that being sikh has just turned in ritual, ie religion. The dharmik aspect has been lost which was carried with the desi culture. Some families have been taking amrit since British times but their view seems rather Christian like, ie more for the ritual.

To state that Sikhism is influenced by the British appears to be a joke. It is clear that Sikhs are the followers of the Gurus 10+1 the Guru eternal; the Shabd Guru. It is the continuous learning of the shabad and following as well as living the same which makes one a true Sikh. Shabad Guru leads to spiritualism as well as guides towards true dharma or religion. Spirituality is internal while dharma is external both however depending on guidance available in Shabad. Worshiping personalities is not in Sikhism. The shabad as revealed to the gurus and to various saints is available in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib being called as the Guru eternal. Sikhs are thus the followers of the shabad or word as contained in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Spirituality inclined Sikh are not generally seen in open since it is internal generally kept to oneself. Since it is not declared; to state that the number of spiritualists is falling will not be a correct statement. You will find them if you search for them and do research on them; they will never come to you or to anyone else and say that 'I am spiritualist'.

 

[lionprinceuk]

This is why I contrast the colonial term sikh"ism" with the our own term of sikhi. And the colonial influences still exist in SGPC, in modern jathebandis, the fact angrez firanghi harmonium is used instead of gurmat sangeet tanti saaj, banis like Chaupai Sahib and Rehraas and Aarti Aarta being reduced, paranoia against Dasam Granth, disarmament of sikhs and Guru ordained shastars being reduced to just wearing a small kripaan with a gatra, not to mention de-emphasising the bani with the reduction of bani as well, reducing dumalla to just a cultural turban. Many colonial practises still are existing. I wonder how many more there are?

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

This is why I contrast the colonial term sikh"ism" with the our own term of sikhi. And the colonial influences still exist in SGPC, in modern jathebandis, the fact angrez firanghi harmonium is used instead of gurmat sangeet tanti saaj, banis like Chaupai Sahib and Rehraas and Aarti Aarta being reduced, paranoia against Dasam Granth, disarmament of sikhs and Guru ordained shastars being reduced to just wearing a small kripaan with a gatra, not to mention de-emphasising the bani with the reduction of bani as well, reducing dumalla to just a cultural turban. Many colonial practises still are existing. I wonder how many more there are?

Is there any link to all these evils to colonialism? It appears too far fetched.

 

[lionprinceuk]

This is why I contrast the colonial term sikh"ism" with the our own term of sikhi. And the colonial influences still exist in SGPC, in modern jathebandis, the fact angrez firanghi harmonium is used instead of gurmat sangeet tanti saaj, banis like Chaupai Sahib and Rehraas and Aarti Aarta being reduced, paranoia against Dasam Granth, disarmament of sikhs and Guru ordained shastars being reduced to just wearing a small kripaan with a gatra, not to mention de-emphasising the bani with the reduction of bani as well, reducing dumalla to just a cultural turban. Many colonial practises still are existing. I wonder how many more there are?

sorry I meant to say de-emphasising bani with reduction of bana.

 

[Theologian.]

To state that Sikhism is influenced by the British appears to be a joke. It is clear that Sikhs are the followers of the Gurus 10+1 the Guru eternal; the Shabd Guru. It is the continuous learning of the shabad and following as well as living the same which makes one a true Sikh. Shabad Guru leads to spiritualism as well as guides towards true dharma or religion. Spirituality is internal while dharma is external both however depending on guidance available in Shabad. Worshiping personalities is not in Sikhism. The shabad as revealed to the gurus and to various saints is available in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib being called as the Guru eternal. Sikhs are thus the followers of the shabad or word as contained in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Spirituality inclined Sikh are not generally seen in open since it is internal generally kept to oneself. Since it is not declared; to state that the number of spiritualists is falling will not be a correct statement. You will find them if you search for them and do research on them; they will never come to you or to anyone else and say that 'I am spiritualist'.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib is not Eternal, to treat it to the equivalence of God is....
It was written by Holy Men of God with inspiration through Guru Nanak's mission.
An object cannot be eternal, if you are trying to say in this world, then their would be evidence of this before Sikhism was, and their is not.
Now The Wonderful Counselor/Teacher (Waheguru), whom taught Guru Nanak a lot, is Eternal, as through him we receive instruction in order to qualify to meet the Mighty One.
Like Guru Nanak said - 'Become like King of Kings, says Nanak' page 25 Japji Sahib