Hard Talk If Farmers Are Eliminated - Indian Farmer Bills 2020

[A_seeker]

The laws are very clearly about entry of multinational/global corporates opening new markets in conditions that will allow them to manipulate prices

India already have MNCs in successfull agribusiness and these laws further strengthen and encourages (I have quoted from the Bill about this in my previous thread)

Also, Amul India is a classic Case Study to counter your fear . In India 48% of Farm output is not crops -it comprises milk, fishing, forestry, fruit and vegetables etc and active Private Partnership .The production of these items is greater than that of cereals &grains but F&V get no MSP support from the government, nor does milk production.

Poultry farming is an excellent example of private players participation from Backyard Activity to a Major Commercial Activity .One can read about poultry sector in Department of Animal Husbandry, Dairying & Fisheries Ministry of Agriculture & Farmers Welfare

I want to reiterate about this Farmer Bills from my first thread :

THESE REFORMS ARE NOT ABOUT PDS and MSP .These reforms are giving the Farmer a choice

"If an industrialist can sell his products anywhere in India and the world ,why should a farmer not be allowed to do so''

Anti Farmer Bill lobby wants choice provided to them on n everything from phones to cars and tractors they are driving to block Highways .but dont want the poor farmer who has been exploited for so long to have a choice to sell his produce.

 

[A_seeker]

@Dalvinder Singh Grewal

Nobody can expound the benefits of these FARMER Bills better than our Punjabi Bahu Harsimrat KAur Badal Sharing this beautiful video :

Sir, kis kis ko RSS ka label lagte raho ge

 

[CharankamalSingh]

The Bill is very clear its moving the Agriculture from Socialist(which have never succedded anywhere in the world) to Capitalist market . its about the choice been given to the farmers to sell their product wherever they want. Thanks to 90s reform you have choice to buy phones,cars, houses so whynot farmers.


He has presented the problem which are due to
old farms bills . iThis new Farmer Bill is introduced to address these problems. When you give 1990 Reform credit to Manmohan Singh and Narsima Rao its obvious Agriculture Reforms credit will go to Modi .This is how politics works .



History says Modi's has not invented the Farmer Bills.It has been in discussion before even BJP came into power, Read letters of former Agriculture Sharad Pawar, Kisan Unions have time and again requested for abolition of APMC.
It was there in Congress 2019 election manifesto .
I have quoted some of theem in discussion
What has Modi has done is implemented and taking the brunt.

Agreed.And without Agriculture reforms Punjab has no future.


Apparently becoming clear that it's not about agriculture reforms.but hatred for Modi and holding the interest of crores of farmer to ransom

Nope, you're missing the point entirely. I do not consider any of the political parties to have clean hands on this, but that neither excuses Modi nor distracts from the whole strategic aim - corporations and their control of the agricultural market to the detriment of the livelihoods and lives of kisans

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

Tribune news today: Adani already built Silos (large godowns) in Moga area and Haryana. Kisans plan to gherao these.

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

Latest is Agri Minister's statement after the senior advocates said that these laws are illegal as these are the subject of states and not of centre and centre has illegally usurped the powers of states. Mr Tomar said: These laws are under the head 'Trade and Commerce'. This shows these laws are framed for the benefits of corporates specially Ambani and Adani and not for the benefit of farmers. The farmers are thus right while fighting for annulling these laws and in bycotting Ambani-Adani products and gheraoing their silos. No further discussion is warranted for Modi Bhagats/RSS propagators/ BJP agents.

 

[A_seeker]

Tribune news today: Adani already built Silos (large godowns) in Moga area and Haryana. Kisans plan to gherao these.View attachment 21084

Time and again this gentleman keeps bringing these amabni and adhani taking over thuss creating Fearmongoring like Puppu Politics is doing .But their is already a counter for this by creation of producers’ cooperatives, or producer associations.AMUL being another example.

Please do some fact checks before posting and spreading false information. Read everything in its entirety before commenting.

Fact Check: Did Adani Group Set Up Silos In Punjab As Soon As Farm Bills Were Passed In Parliament?

The Logical Indian Fact check team investigates the claim that Adani Logistics Limited set up a food silo as soon as the three farm and agriculture-related bills were passed in the Parliament.

thelogicalindian.com

After CLU grant, Adani Group setting up silos for FCI in Panipat

After securing permission for change of land use (CLU) from the BJP-led Haryana government, the Adani Group is constructing high-tech silos for storage of foodgrain procured by the Food Corporation of India (FCI) in Panipat’s Jondhan Kalan and Naultha villages.

www.tribuneindia.com

Adani Group has clarified it neither buys foodgrain from farmers nor decides the pricing
It only develops and operates grain silos for the FCI
The firm has no role in deciding the volume of storage or pricing of grain as it is only a service provider for the FCI

 

[A_seeker]

- corporations and their control of the agricultural market to the detriment of the livelihoods and lives of kisans

Again this fear has been answered in previous comments , to stop exploitation of poor farmers by big corporations is to get AMUL or Nafed like coperations .
The best way to fight the fear of big corporations exploiting the poor small and marginal farmer is to get an Amul or Nafed to start farmers organisations.and have brands like Amul Atta,Amul Basamati. The scope for innovation under this NewFarm Bill is enormous .Thinking Out of the Box is required and not play Puppu Politics ..

 

[Manish Rehan]

Sir,Nothing new is happening here in india

BECAUSE

1.India has second largest population in the world.This is main problem of India .

2.Election system is the second biggest problem of India

3.No previous govt was honest to public at large,nor this government. From the day of Independence there is no systematic planning regarding rural and urbanization DEVLOPMENT,
Education,
Health,
Employment..

4.Indian democracy is run or manage by cast system because every citizen of India is under pressure of problems which i mentioned above, that's why public elect crupte politicians for there own benefit not for the sack of country.

5.No honest person can win election because big money is needed to fight. once you spend big money to get elected then you think about your own benefits not for common man

5.how one can expect good laws or good governing from any government whether is Modi,Congress,Akali or any other....all are same.

 

[A_seeker]

Sir,Nothing new is happening here in india

BECAUSE

1.India has second largest population in the world.This is main problem of India .

2.Election system is the second biggest problem of India

3.No previous govt was honest to public at large,nor this government. From the day of Independence there is no systematic planning regarding rural and urbanization DEVLOPMENT,
Education,
Health,
Employment..

4.Indian democracy is run or manage by cast system because every citizen of India is under pressure of problems which i mentioned above, that's why public elect crupte politicians for there own benefit not for the sack of country.

5.No honest person can win election because big money is needed to fight. once you spend big money to get elected then you think about your own benefits not for common man

5.how one can expect good laws or good governing from any government whether is Modi,Congress,Akali or any other....all are same.

I understand your concerns ,but do remember No Nation is perfect.Only way India can deal with these problem is to adopt a True Secularism model .

Has India been secular after Independence ?? No .Its has been a Fascist Left Wing Authoritarian state .The establishment is Left Wing in India thanks to NEhruvian obsession with Socialism .

India can only be a SECULAR Nation if Religion is separated from the State .Every citizen is treated equal irrespective of his caste, religion or minority status . Bringing about that change ,however requires a new mindset.

 

[A_seeker]

My opinions expressed in this forum on the Farmer Bills has been well articulated here

Protesting farmers are arguing for the perpetuation of colonial rule!!

There is an old saying — no one ever went broke under-estimating the intelligence of the American public. If you think about it further, it probably works better with over-estimation. If you think about it more, it fits almost all democracies. And if you are patient enough, and think some more...

www.sikhphilosophy.net

I hope for the earliest resolutions between Farmers and Government and end to this protest.

 

[IJJSingh]

Bill contains sufficient provisions to protect the farmer from any exploitation

What is your view on the following provisions in the farm bill:

“No suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings shall lie against the Central Government or the State Government, or any officer of the Central Government or the State Government or any other person in respect of anything which is in good faith done or intended to be done under this Act or of any rules or orders made thereunder.”

“No civil court shall have jurisdiction to entertain any suit or proceedings in respect of any matter, the cognisance of which can be taken and disposed of by any authority empowered by or under this Act or the rules made thereunder.”

Short of insurrection, courts are the last resort of stopping power-hungry from railroading the helpless. With a single stroke of the pen, this bill has taken away the most basic human right of legally challenging a wrongdoing. The bill doesn't just absolve transgressions of the Central and State governments but extends this immunity also to "any other person". Regardless of the damage to the victim, as long as a corporation or a bad-guy claims that they acted "in good faith" they cannot be challenged in court. Even worse as per the above bill they don't even have to prove that "their actions were in good faith", all they have to say is they "intended to act in good faith". One may be able to prove that somebody's overt actions were not in good faith, but how does a victim prove that "intentions inside the mind of the victimizer were not in good faith".

Governments and corporations have a terrible record of exploitation around the globe. Why take away small shreds of checks and balances that exist in the system? What is the justification for immunizing the powerful and tyrants from legal action?

 

[A_seeker]

What is your view on the following provisions in the farm bill:

“No suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings shall lie against the Central Government or the State Government, or any officer of the Central Government or the State Government or any other person in respect of anything which is in good faith done or intended to be done under this Act or of any rules or orders made thereunder.”

“No civil court shall have jurisdiction to entertain any suit or proceedings in respect of any matter, the cognisance of which can be taken and disposed of by any authority empowered by or under this Act or the rules made thereunder.”

This is related to The Farmers (Empowerment and Protection) Agreement on Price Assurance and Farm Services Ordinance, 2020:
Dispute settlement process. This will include two provisions:

a) a conciliation board has to be set up; which will include members representing both the farmer and the buyer. In case of a dispute, the matter will first be put in front of this board.
b) If the board is not able to resolve the matter within 30 days, the farmer & buyer can approach the sub-divisional magistrate (SDM).

Remember In Dispute Settlement No action can be taken against agriculture land of the Farmer to recover any dues..


Regarding the legalities of above concerns mentioned by you ,this discord is already put forward by farmers to the Government and its good talks are going on between two .This is what Agriculture Minister has stated :

''If farmers feel that they will not get justice from SDMs and must be allowed to go straight to the courts, the government can consider this, ''

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

ਭਾਰਤੀ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਸਾਨਾਂ ਵਿਰੁਧ ਕਨੂੰਨ
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ਭਾਰਤ ਦਾ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ, ੧੯੫੦ {ਆਖਰੀ ਵਾਰ ੨੩ ਜਨਵਰੀ, ੨੦੨੦ ਨੂੰ ਅਪਡੇਟ ਕੀਤਾ ।੬/੪੦੧॥
ਅਸੀਂ ਭਾਰਤ ਦੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੇ ਇਕ ਸਚਿਆਈ ਨਾਲ ਸੰਕਲਪ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਭਾਰਤ ਨੂੰ ਇਕ ।ਸਰਕਾਰੀ ਸੋਸਾਇਲਿਸਟ ਸੈਕੂਲਰ ਡੈਮੋਕ੍ਰੇਟਿਕ ਰਿਪਬਲਿਕ॥ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਅਤੇ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਨਾਗਰਿਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਰੱਖਿਅਤ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ:
ਨਿਆਂ, ਸਮਾਜਿਕ, ਆਰਥਿਕ ਅਤੇ ਰਾਜਨੀਤਿਕ;
ਵਿਚਾਰ, ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਵਾ, ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ, ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ ਅਤੇ ਪੂਜਾ ਦੀ ਖੁਲ੍ਹ;
ਸਥਿਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਅਵਸਰ ਦੀ ਯੋਗਤਾ;
ਅਤੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਸਾਰਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹਤ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ
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ਇਸ ਲਈ ਇਹ ਲੋਕ ਹੀ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਦੀ ਤਾਕਤ ਹਨ, ਨਾ ਕਿ ਕਾਂਗਰਸ, ਭਾਜਪਾ, ਸੀਪੀਆਈ, ਸੀ ਪੀ ਐਮ ਆਦਿ ਪਾਰਟੀਆਂ । ਸ਼ਕਤੀ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਲੋਕਤੰਤਰੀ ਢੰਗ ਨਾਲ ਸਰਕਾਰਾਂ ਚੁਣਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਪਾਰਟੀਆਂ । ਲੋਕਤੰਤਰੀ ਗਣਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਇਸ ਸ਼ਕਤੀ ਸਭ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਸਾਂਝੀ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਰੇ ਲੋਕ ਬਰਾਬਰ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਬਰਾਬਰ ਦੇ ਭਾਗੀਦਾਰ ਹਨ। ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਧਰਮਾਂ, ਜਾਤੀਆਂ ਆਦਿ ਦੀ ਕੋਈ ਤਰਜੀਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਧਰਮ ਨਿਰਪੱਖ ਹੈ. ਇਹ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰਾਜ, ਸਿੱਖ ਰਾਜ, ਮੁਸਲਿਮ ਰਾਜ ਜਾਂ ਈਸਾਈ ਰਾਜ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ। ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਚੁਣੀ ਗਈ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਨਿਆਂ, ਆਜ਼ਾਦੀ ਅਤੇ ਰੁਤਬੇ ਦੀ ਬਰਾਬਰੀ ਨੂੰ ਯਕੀਨੀ ਬਣਾਉਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਦੁਸ਼ਮਣੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਲਕਿ ਭਾਈਚਾਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹਤ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਹੋਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ. ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਅਕਤੀਗਤ ਦੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਵੀ ਪੱਕੀ ਕਰਨੀ ਪਵੇਗੀ. ਕੀ ਮੌਜੂਦਾ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਉਹ ਸਭ ਕਰ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਸਤਾਵਨਾ ਵਿਚ ਸ਼ਾਮਲ ਹੈ? ਜੇ ਇਹ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਰਹੀ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਦੇ ਮੁਢਲੀਆਂ ਧਾਰਾਵਾਂ ਦੀ ਹੀ ਉਲੰਘਣਾ ਕਰ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਗੈਰਕਨੂੰਨੀ ਹੈ। ਕੀ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੈਰ ਕਨੂੰਨੀ ਸਰਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਕਰਨ ਦੇਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ?
ਕਿਸਾਨਾਂ ਵਿਰੁਧ ਕਨੂੰਨ
੨੪੬. (੧) ਧਾਰਾਵਾਂ (१) ਅਤੇ (२) ਦੇ ਅਧੀਨ, ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਵਿਧਾਨਸਭਾ ੧ *** ਕੋਲ ਸੱਤਵੇਂ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਮਾਮਲੇ ਦੇ ਸਬੰਧ ਵਿੱਚ ਅਜਿਹੇ ਰਾਜ ਜਾਂ ਇਸਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਹਿੱਸੇ ਲਈ ਕਾਨੂੰਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦੀ ਵਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਅਧਿਕਾਰ ਹੈ। ਤਹਿ (ਇਸ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਵਿੱਚ "ਰਾਜ ਸੂਚੀ" ਵਜੋਂ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ).
ਸੱਤਵੀਂ ਸੂਚੀ (ਆਰਟੀਕਲ ੨੪੬)
ਸੂਚੀ -੧ ਯੂਨੀਅਨ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ
੪੧. ਵਿਦੇਸ਼ੀ ਦੇਸ਼ਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਵਪਾਰ ਅਤੇ ਵਪਾਰ; ਕਸਟਮਜ਼ ਫਰੰਟੀਅਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਯਾਤ ਅਤੇ ਨਿਰਯਾਤ; ਕਸਟਮ ਸਰਹੱਦਾਂ ਦੀ ਪਰਿਭਾਸ਼ਾ.
੪੨. ਅੰਤਰ-ਰਾਜ ਵਪਾਰ ਅਤੇ ਵਣਜ.
੪੩. ਕਾਰਪੋਰੇਟ ਕਾਰਪੋਰੇਸ਼ਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ਾਮਲ ਕਰਨਾ, ਨਿਯਮ ਬਣਾਉਣਾ ਅਤੇ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਖਤਮ ਕਰਨਾ, ਜਿਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਬੈਂਕਿੰਗ, ਬੀਮਾ ਅਤੇ ਵਿੱਤੀ ਕਾਰਪੋਰੇਸ਼ਨ ਸ਼ਾਮਲ ਹਨ, ਪਰ ਸਹਿਕਾਰੀ ਸਭਾਵਾਂ ਸ਼ਾਮਲ ਨਹੀਂ.
ਸੂਚੀ ੨ - ਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ
੧੪. ਖੇਤੀਬਾੜੀ, ਖੇਤੀਬਾੜੀ ਸਿੱਖਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਖੋਜ, ਕੀੜਿਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਬਚਾਅ ਅਤੇ ਪੌਦੇ ਦੀ ਬਿਮਾਰੀ ਦੀ ਰੋਕਥਾਮ ਸਮੇਤ
ਖੇਤੀਬਾੜੀ ਸੂਚੀ ੨ - ਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ ਦੇ ੧੪ ਨੰਬਰ ਤੇ ਦਰਜ ਹੈ।
ਹੁਣ ਕਿਸਾਨ ਤਿੰਨ ਕਨੂੰਨਾਂ- ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਉਪਜ ਬਾਰੇ ਵਪਾਰ ਅਤੇ ਵਣਜ (ਤਰੱਕੀ ਅਤੇ ਸਹੂਲਤ) ਐਕਟ, ਕਿਸਾਨ (ਸਸ਼ਕਤੀਕਰਨ ਅਤੇ ਸੁਰੱਖਿਆ) ਅਧੀਨ ਕੀਮਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਭਰੋਸਾ ਅਤੇ ਖੇਤੀ ਸੇਵਾਵਾਂ ਐਕਟ ਬਾਰੇ ਸਮਝੌਤਾ, ਅਤੇ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਵਸਤੂਆਂ (ਸੋਧ) ਐਕਟ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ ਰੋਸ ਪ੍ਰਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਨੂੰਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰੱਦ ਕਰਵਾਣ ਲਈ ਧਰਨੇ ਤੇ ਡਟੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ।
ਪਹਿਲੇ ਕਨੂੰਨ ਨੂੰ ਵਪਾਰ ਤੇ ਵਣਜ ਅਧੀਨ ਰੱਖ ਕੇ ਕੇਂਦਰ ਦਾ ਬਿਲ ਪਾਸ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। ਕਿਰਸਾਨੀ ਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ ੨ ਅਧੀਨ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅਧਿਕਾਰ ਰਾਜਾਂ ਦਾ ਹੈ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਕੇਂਦਰ ਦਾ ਇਸ ਲਈ ਇਹ ਕਨੂੰਨ ਨੂੰ ਅਣਅਧਿਕਾਰਤ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਰਦ ਕਰਨਾ ਬਣਦਾ ਹੈ।
ਇਸੇ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੂਜਾ ਤੇ ਤੀਜਾ ਕਨੂੰਨ ਵੀ ਰਾਜਾਂ ਦੇ ਅਧਿਕਾਰ ਥੱਲੇ ਹਨ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਰਾਜ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ ੨ ਅਧੀਨ ਹਨ। ਇਹ ਕਨੂੰਨ ਕੇਂਦਰ ਦੀ ਰਾਜਾਂ ਦੇ ਹੱਕਾਂ ਉਤੇ ਛਾਪੇਮਾਰੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਗਈ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸਹਿਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ। ਕੇਂਦਰ ਵਲੋਂ ਇਹ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਦੀ ਉਲੰਘਣਾ ਹੈ, ਕਿਸਾਨ ਮਾਰੂ ਹੇ ਤੇ ਲੋਕ ਹਿਤਾਂ ਦਾ ਧਿਆਨ ਨਹੀਂ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਗਿਆ। ਕੁਝ ਨੂੰ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜਮਾਂਖੋਰੀ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜ਼ਤ ਦੇਕੇ, ਮੰਡੀ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਨੂੰ ਖਤਮ ਕਰਕੇ, ਠੇਕੇਦਾਰੀ ਤੇ ਕਾਰਪੋਰੇਟ ਰਾਜ ਨੂੰ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹਿਤ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਸੰਵਿਧਾਨ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਸਤਾਵਨਾ ਦੇ ਵੀ ਖਿਲਾਫ ਹੈ।

 

[A_seeker]

Governments and corporations have a terrible record of exploitation around the globe. Why take away small shreds of checks and balances that exist in the system?

New Farmer Bill exactly tries to tackle this situation freeing farmers from having to sell to a monopoly cartel at the APMC mandi where agents earns Rs 1500 crore a year as commissions,

The check and balances of Punjab is already misplaced Punjab is ranked 11th amongst major agri states

The FCI is saddled with huge stock of grains 97MMT against a buffer stock norm of 42MMT.The economic cost of that excess grain beyond buffer stock is Rs 1,80,000 crore , a dead capital locked without much purpose(rotting in godowns ) .All arising due to MSP and open ended procurement.

In a nutshell Punjab farmers are producing what people dont want .Farmers that once fed Indians are now feeding rats in government godowns.

Punjab desperatly needs 2nd Green Revolution .

 

[A_seeker]

@Sikhilove1 .We are discussing Farm laws .
If want to discuss something else create a new thread and vomit out there..



I dont know why @Dalvinder Singh Grewal keeps repeating the same silly one liners .Why you like these politicians playing duplicity on farm laws

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

Supreme Court Judgement and Agitating farmer’s Reaction

Supreme Court order to stay the implementation of the farm laws is welcomed by the agitating farmers stating that Supreme Court has rightly observed their illegality but their demand has been a complete repeal of these the three contentious laws and refuse to settle for anything less than the repeal of these. Even otherwise, if their leaders accept less than that, millions on sit-in-protest and millions of their sympathisers shall not allow them to do that. According to Farmer leaders they have not gone to the Supreme Court nor represented their case there because of the long process of getting justice in these courts for which they cannot wait. They are also suspicious of the justice system having seen some past decisions of the SC. Their fear has been further strengthened when the SC nominated four members on the committee to mediate who are pro-government as found from their articles and statements favouring three laws. One of them Mr Mann has already resigned. As per note issued by PTI today: SC appointed farmer committee member Ghanwat said 0n 14 Jan 2020, "In the course of the discussion, I am confident that protesting farmers will say -- implement these laws." It shows that the member has already decided that he is going to convince the farmers for the implementation of these laws. This is totally against the approach of farmers who want three laws repealed. Hence his being on the committee is totally against the interests of the farmers and pro-government. Fearing this government game-plan, they have decided to continue agitation which includes Kisan march with tractors and a massive mobilisation on Delhi roads on 26 January. They burnt copies of the contentious farm laws, one lakh copies of the three agricultural laws burnt at the Singhu border alone, to mark the festival of Lohri on 13 January and plan to toughen their stand further in future as well. Instead of talking to the pro-Government panel, they have preferred to continue direct dialogue with the ministerial team claiming that the final decision about these laws is to be taken by the Government only with whose top ministers they are already in dialogue even though they do not find them sincere in talks. There appears to be a long wait till the farmers get the justice by a repeal of the contentious laws which can be made short by the Government by acceding to their demand earliest.
Col Dr D S Grewal
9815366726
Ex Dean Research Desh Bhagat University

 

[A_seeker]

RSS agent at it again. No need to waste time on the infiltrated motivated government propagandist.

Since you don't have fact and figures and Just UDTA personnel attacks on me .' Let me share you with the present agriculture mess of Punjab.

1. Punjab Rank 13th in per capita income .Haryana is ahead of Punjab in 5th .Punjab was number one till 2003

2.Average growth rate of Punjab under old Farmer Bills which ur favoring :

The Above Data shows the harsh reality of Punjab. Even Haryana which got the driest part of Punjab is doing so well .So what are you defending for???
Punjab and its farmers need economic freedom, liberty of land use, not the wheat-paddy-MSP comfort .This is what this New FARM Bills aims at.

Sir your are pensioner it might not matter to you .
But ur personnel ego and too much Modi obsession brushing everything with ''RSS conspiracy'' devoid of reasons may not change the fate of Punjab because numbers don't lie.

 

[Dalvinder Singh Grewal]

The farmers have their sons all over the world, who have equal interests at their homes and in their lands. They have to support their fathers, mothers and relatives now on agitation. They are keen that their relatives do not die of hunger and from biting cold. Govt directed NIA and ED issuing notices against those ferrying food items. Even against Khalsa Aid famous for feeding free globally has not been spared. Khalsa Aid helped the victims of calamities in Gujrat, Nepal, Bangladesh, Europe and so on and they were lauded by the Indian Govt. then. They were honoured by the British Government recently for their noble deed and is now recommended already for Noble Prize. 40 of their members have been now issued notices. The farmers of Punjab and Haryana fed freely when the migrants were fleeing to their states.No one then questioned wherefrom all that money and langar came. Now why question them for their langars who feed not the farmers alone but all those who come including those policemen who hit them on their heads and sprayed cold water in biting cold on the orders of heartless, unreasonable govt. The Centre goes on insisting that these laws are useful for farmers even though accepted 19 flaws in these laws which are against farmers. Farmers have been demanding repealing of these laws primarily since these are made into the domain of state as per List II of the constitution thereby changing the Federal Structure of the Constitution.

 

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