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Is It Better To Just Insulate Yourself In Your Own World?

Harry Haller

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In the case of the rapist - he has not realised and acknowledged the presence of WaheGuru inside of himself. Had he, then he would not be commiting this heinous act.

I would see the Akaal in him too but i would be justified in my anger and my act of repulsion and any consequences that may result in stopping the violation of a woman's soul and her body. He would be violating the WaheGuru inside of her.

Why would I be justified in my anger, disgust, hate and action thereby to prevent it?..

Because Waheguru has put women on a higher pedestal than us menfolk too. That is the only racial bias between the sexes that the Guru has ever made I guess.

If one does not acknowledge, respect the WaheGuru inside oneself, then one can expect to escape the benefit of being treated at par with one who does.

Just imagine someone who does not realise the presence of the Akaal in oneself but goes on and tries to destroy the sanctuary of the Akaal's dwelling in another?? Can anything be more vileful? More disgusting?

One who loves,respects,feels in one - the Waheguru does not commit rape, period.

That's the way I see it - strongly biased are my views and not a convincing argument maybe, but that's how I have always seen it.

Amrit and the 5 kakars do not make one a true sikh. They help him become one all through the journey. They are nessesary and useful if one understands the guidance they provide round the clock. Just having the Akaal in oneself does not make one worthy of the respect we accord to a dwelling of the Akaal.

We must hoist the Nishan Sahib in the Gurudwara inside us in which the Akaal dwells. Our actions are our Nishan Sahib and our character is our Gurudwara. When one does not build a Gurudwara or hoist the Nishan Sahib then one will stoop to lows like the rapist has.

How disgusted does one feel in a Gurudwara where the Akaal is disrespected ?. Then how disgusted must one feel towards a person who has desecrated the Akaal in this lowly manner. The disgust is justified a million fold because even with the Akaal within the rapist he has denounced and humilated Waheguru so unceremoniously.

To me rape is the epitome, the zenith, the pinnacle - of disgust, of filth. The bottom of the filthiest abyss that any mortal can stoop to.

The rapist has a free choice, he chooses to go ahead out of free will.

Waheguru does not abandon him but when another part of WaheGuru in you or me who goes to save the girl does not stop the saviour or the girl from putting up a fight either.

Sometimes you, me, the girl wins. Sometimes the rapist does. Waheguru just watches, he does not punish or reward ot even take sides.

The rapist pays for his destruction or attempt of descreation of WaheGuru in the girl in this very lifetime. Nobody is outside or beyond the Akaal's human. The rapist is on the hitlist of Hukam by his own doing. He has sown a seed by this rape and so shall he reap it's consequences a million fold, here in this life itself. There is no escape.

Sorry, I seem to have gotten carried away. But I'm upset. I wish Wahegueu's justice was more direct, immediate and unforgiving. But WaheGuru knows best.

If any rapist could imagine the horror of his deplorable, disgusting destruction of Wahegueu's cherished child - he would never ever dare to do it even in his most dirty dreams.

The Hukum is there to be broken at your own peril.

Oops, I'm still am really and very truly upset. How can one crush and break another human so coldly? Be this wicked?

Need some cold milk to chill.. some random thoughts of mine... please ignore them if we see different..

I cannot remember the last time I got upset, so in a way, I envy you, its also a long time since I got very excited, they go hand in hand, I admire your fire.

I agree with a lot of what you say, certainly about consequences being realised in this lifetime, and that God does not interfere. Maybe one should not see god in all, maybe one should just see the potential for god in all.
 

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Maybe one should not see god in all, maybe one should just see the potential for god in all.


Harry ji,

Ok, im myself now. Sailors are an emotional breed i guess, lol.

I was in Punjab a few months back and I was with a cousin when I saw a Gurudwara beside the road. It was then that my cousin told me that it was a 'dera'. Only when we closed in i realised that it was not a Nishan sahib that was fluttering in the skies but the dera flag.

Its the same with mortals i guess.

A friend of mine volunteered in an organisation for rehabilation of tribals and at times would attend to rape victims and I saw the horror and hell in their eyes. Made me feel ashamed at being a man, made me wish I was a dog instead.

The horror is beyond any hell that can ever be. That is why I feel so touchy about it.
 
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A friend of mine volunteered in an organisation for rehabilation of tribals and at times would attend to rape victims and I saw the horror and hell in their eyes. Made me feel ashamed at being a man, made me wish I was a dog instead.

The horror is beyond any hell that can ever be. That is why I feel so touchy about it.

You are absolutely right. Sexual violence is the most deplorable act. It is using an intimate act as a weapon. The scars that it can leave on the victim are tremendous and tend to be lifelong. It can destroy the entire essence of a person. So many victims fall into severe mental illness, their entire lives are shattered. They are never the same. There needs to be more outrage, more condemnation. And, it is very powerful when men themselves stand up and speak against it, alongside women. And also, while women by far are most violated, it is important to remember that men and children can all be victims. And if anyone knows that someone else is committing such violence, it must be reported.

Sometimes I am not so sure if people pay for their horrific acts in this lifetime... There are many people that get away with committing violence. You have your big powerful people in the world that cause so much destruction, but still live safely and in wealth, with all opportunities in the world available to them.
 

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And also, while women by far are most violated, it is important to remember that men and children can all be victims.

I won't comment on the children part much because I believe no human is capable of such degradation. These are sub- humans who even carry out such an evil act. How dangerously perverted one must be to even comprehend such thoughts, leave alone actions. It's an assault on Akaal itself, the most heinous slaughter of innocence. I'm ashamed of being a part of the human clan.

Why did the Waheguru Not permit us to live in isolation is tough for me to comprehend because Sikhi is So So tough. I feel drained at times with grief at what goes on around in mommy Ghia's lap. How we stoop so low and go to such lengths to degrade ourselves. If I can't stop it i feel I am a part of this and that bleeds me.

One victims would scream and go hysterical at the sight of me. The sight of a man terrified her. That is how deep this cuts, slaughters one. My freind forbade my presence around their shelter a long time ago.

Sometimes I am not so sure if people pay for their horrific acts in this lifetime... There are many people that get away with committing violence. You have your big powerful people in the world that cause so much destruction, but still live safely and in wealth, with all opportunities in the world available to them.

The world is not perfect. But the Hukam is. I believe that there is no escape. They may skip the punishment of the mortal courts but not the deserved backlash of their actions - certainly not in the realm of the Hukam.

I believe no amount of simran, paath, no ardass, no matter how heartfelt said after this, this...crime can save one from the consequences of the actions. One has to pay the price, period.

When a prayer cannot save you, even believing that wealth and contacts will is pathetically laughable. When you stab and slice another's soul, your soul cannot but bleed eventually. That is The Hukam. Hukam does not make exceptions. I believe the latter you pay the pain gets more horrifying eventually, as it rightly must. Every such sub-human will eventually turn to Waheguru for forgiveness on his death bed but when one cannot undo what's done, how can Hukam come undone. It's a sorry dark end for this clan.

Free will does come with responsibilty and compassion. So pray we use it righteously. The Hukam prevails for forever, and a day.
 
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RD1 ji,
Thank you for the excellent, heartfelt post.
I certainly feel you in regards to being aware of all the trials and hardships that are being played out on this earthly plane. In these times, I'm thankful for anyone who questions and contemplates these issues. Maybe I just work amongst a bunch of knuckle-heads or maybe they really are representative of the general mindset, but from what I see, the great mass of people are basically sleep-walking; moving through life in a sort of haze or slumber.
There are indeed great problems on this earth, and the Gurus have always appealed to those willing to confront them; this is not a spiritual path for escapism.
Most people, it seems, go from cradle to grave with minds occupied with nonsense: football statistics, mundane money-making concerns, Kim Kardashian or Drake, Playstation or some other cyber-illusions; never ever really confronting the genuine issues of our times.
RD, if I may, I would encourage you to please look into the personal stories of Dorothy Day, Oscar Romero, Bhagat Puran Singh, Berta Caceres, Sundarlal Bahuguna, Daniel Berrigan... Having met some such souls, I can testify to you, those who engage themselves in the struggle for justice are of all people the most fulfilled, and the ones, I think, who draw most closest to the dargha of Waheguru.
Highest blessings, ji.
 

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The rapist has a free choice, he chooses to go ahead out of free will.
..does he ?

In 2003, the "Archives of Neurology" carried a clinical report of a middle-aged man with no history of any misdemeanour or other related illnesses that were likely to certify him uncivil. He then at some point in time began to stash child pornography and sexually started molesting a young child of eight. Following police intervention when push came to shove, it was discovered through a brain scan that the frontal area of his brain had a tumor growing, invading the septum and hypothalamus [regions known to regulate sexual behaviour] accordingly. After the removal of the tumor his sexual appetite returned to normal.

These kind of cases raises questions of free will. Case in point being, how much control do humans have and on what ?

...all in all ...enjoy what you write...thank you !
 
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..does he ?

In 2003, the "Archives of Neurology" carried a clinical report of a middle-aged man with no history of any misdemeanour or other related illnesses that were likely to certify him uncivil. He then at some point in time began to stash child pornography and sexually started molesting a young child of eight. Following police intervention when push came to shove, it was discovered through a brain scan that the frontal area of his brain had a tumor growing, invading the septum and hypothalamus [regions known to regulate sexual behaviour] accordingly. After the removal of the tumor his sexual appetite returned to normal.

Cases of these kinds raises questions of free will. Case in point being, how much control do humans have and on what ?

...all in all ...enjoy what you write...thank you !

This is actually someones blog rather than a thread, however, I will see if I can re instate a thread on the subject so that we do not turn a blog into a discussion about something else
 

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I'm sorry H - forgive me for my ignorance ! My knowledge is somewhat limited when it comes to the constitutional communications of such social media tapestry.

To all, I extend sincere apologies for my folly -
 

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I'm sorry H - forgive me for my ignorance ! My knowledge is somewhat limited when it comes to the constitutional communications of such social media tapestry.

To all, I extend sincere apologies for my folly -

no need, its a good post, glad you raised the subject
 

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I'm thankful for anyone who questions and contemplates these issues

I wish more of us would do so!...Or perhaps many of us do...but we just do not talk about it! Unfortunately, this type of critical thinking and reflection is quite taboo.

the great mass of people are basically sleep-walking; moving through life in a sort of haze or slumber

Excellent observation! Sometimes I am not sure if people are unable to to break out of the slumber, or choose not to. After all, facing the truths of the world is not a pleasurable experience. And once you see, you cannot un-see....We are living in a world where we are taught to avoid pain and negative emotions, and that these feelings are "bad"

I would encourage you to please look into the personal stories of Dorothy Day, Oscar Romero, Bhagat Puran Singh, Berta Caceres, Sundarlal Bahuguna, Daniel Berrigan

Thanks for these suggestions!

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..does he ?

In 2003, the "Archives of Neurology" carried a clinical report of a middle-aged man with no history of any misdemeanour or other related illnesses that were likely to certify him uncivil. He then at some point in time began to stash child pornography and sexually started molesting a young child of eight. Following police intervention when push came to shove, it was discovered through a brain scan that the frontal area of his brain had a tumor growing, invading the septum and hypothalamus [regions known to regulate sexual behaviour] accordingly. After the removal of the tumor his sexual appetite returned to normal.

These kind of cases raises questions of free will. Case in point being, how much control do humans have and on what ?


Yes, this individual had a brain tumor, however, that does not mean that all rapists and violent people have such excuses. Yes, people that have brain tumors, brain injuries, and mental illness can encounter drastic changes in their behaviour, which may not align with their true selves, and their free will is lost. However, this is not the norm. Most rapists do not suddenly go from being the most upright person to a violent person in a flash. No.

It is extremely important to remember that rape and sexual violence has nothing to do with sexual desire. It is about power and control. Predators use it as a weapon to inflict pain, humiliation, and to exert themselves as superior. Where can such a mentality, especially in terms of men committing violence towards women, come from? It comes from our patriarchal and misogynistic societies where women have constantly been placed in an inferior and subservient position to men, where women are to "serve men" and are "less than" men, and are the "property" of men. Where men have to be less accountable for their actions because hey "boys will be boys."THIS IS TO BLAME first and foremost.

Thankfully, such ideologies are not promoted in Sikhism. And this makes Sikhi so beautiful. However, other religions do look at women as less than men, and culturally such ideologies do exist. In everything in life, we have choices and options. From my understanding Sikhism indicates that our karma can be shaped and altered in our current life time, therefore, we have the power to choose and exert free will. It is important to not make excuses for rapists. The vast majority do not have a a brain tumor. They have a sickening backward violent mentality. They have made a choice. Raping someone is a process, something that has to be planned out thought out, and executed. This needs to be recognized so rapists get the punishment they deserve, and victims get the justice they deserve in our courts of law. The rest God will decide. Excuses have to stop. They already get away with so much.
 
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This is actually someones blog rather than a thread, however, I will see if I can re instate a thread on the subject so that we do not turn a blog into a discussion about something else

I am OK with discussing the topic here! However, if its better to start a new thread to facilitate better discussion, then please do so!
 

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I consistently strive to learn the truth about this world. So much of what we are fed is a complete lie.
..the very basis of Sikh thought ! It all started pretty much how you describe, what is truth and what is lie? And the answer was, nam is truth [God] and this world is a lie [maya]. Hence, Sikhism. Japji Sahib captures it nicely, kiv sachara hoviya kiv kuray tuta pal ? [sachara is truth and kuray is lie, SGGSJ, 1].
The history we learn is distorted, what politicians and the media tell us is distorted, the news is distorted, what big corporations tell is distorted. We are exposed to constant lies. This world is not just, human rights are consistently violated, money and greed takes precedence over everything else, our environment is destroyed, humans are just a commodity. The T.V. teaches us who is good and who is bad, and who to hate.
...nothing is distorted, nothing is a lie, it's you; you've started seeing the wood from the trees, meaning, truth - welcome to the house of Nanak !
When you seek this truth, you realize how hellish this existence is - how much violence we commit to one another, how much poverty there is intentionally created, how much suffering there is in the world, and how truly powerless and small we are against the huge powers that dominate and control this world.
......yes, when we try to reason it out we find man is utterly hopeless and powerless before the will of God. Hence the reason, surrender, for otherwise one is ever drawn to reflect on deep human need to make sense of events and inevitable dissatisfactions; where will it end ? Nanak says dharm [religion] links up man with deeper understanding and experience. If one was to believe Nanak, Gurbani becomes the light of life.
This truth seeking, and attempt to not delude myself, has opened my eyes to these awful discoveries. And essentially, I feel more negative, more hopeless, more miserable.
..you shouldn't do, because heaven can't be had without knowledge of hell. Nanak too went through what you're describing, he put it, "...nanak dukhiya sab sansar" [SGGSJ, 953-54].
I see other people - perfectly good, happy, loving, positive people - who do not bother to concern themselves with this truth seeking. They do not constantly question what it is that is really happening in this world, they do not voluntarily expose themselves to uncovering the horrors of this world. They live in their own little life - taking care of their families, having a good time, working, travelling, watching entertaining shows, maintaining some sort of spirituality, doing some seva, and not thinking so above and beyond. They just live and be in their own lives. They seem better off for it - happy, loving, positive, and perfectly good people. I admire these traits that they have and cannot seem to emulate them so well myself.
..lol..knowing what you know and being in the company of the good, great, glorious Sikhs here at SPN, you're troubled ? Impossible ! The world you are looking at is "temporary" and so are all the constituent parts that make up the world. Ask yourself, 'would you rather have short-lived pleasures over long term happiness or vice versa?'. Things are not always as they appear, its a matter of perception.
If Guru has indeed blessed us with a good, comfortable life, then is it better to just insulate yourself in your own world, and just live and be? Why concern oneself with the truth of our existence, with the tragedies of the world brought upon by our corrupt societies, if it will bring about negativity within us?
..read up on 'chardi kala' ! The Sikh is told that this world is AP's lila [playground] play therefore and realise your potential to the max.
 

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I think it entails coming to acceptance of what the world is. Being able to identify our expectations of what things "should be like," and accept what they actually are like, ultimately surrendering to God's will. Learning to tame our fears and ego, and allow a universal love to dominate. Understanding that everything is God and this is God's play. To strive to seek connection with the One, and see the One in all. Learning to detach from the material world.

I like this...

its His Khel and his Will...because Waheguru is all their is...so who can be blamed?
we're all diving into infinity...there is no end to what can be discovered or what there is in creation and beyond...its limitless...waheguru is doing this Himself...there is no other...

What is the point of creating something if there's no one to experience that creation...if you've unlimited powers of creation, infinite possibilities...when would the learning stop? limitless...and we, are are Him wondering through infinity...its all him...

Yes Harry Ji, we all play a part, we can't blame it on him...because we are all creative, we all play a part on how our creation evolves...by the state of our minds...Waheguru is telling us (Him in his own khel), that we have that power...if we have less of the desire, lust, greed, ego, and anger...and replace it with sharing, love, compassion, etc etc...the world changes...
 

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Yes, this individual had a brain tumor, however, that does not mean that all rapists and violent people have such excuses
..excuses ? that's debateable !
Yes, people that have brain tumors, brain injuries, and mental illness can encounter drastic changes in their behaviour, which may not align with their true selves, and their free will is lost.
..not just brain tumours, but also, forces and factors beyond human control that are responsible for human behaviour !
However, this is not the norm.
..no !
Most rapists do not suddenly go from being the most upright person to a violent person in a flash.
..as I said above, there are number of forces and factors at work that contribute to criminal psychology.
It is extremely important to remember that rape and sexual violence has nothing to do with sexual desire. It is about power and control.
..pls qualify ! with supporting evidence, if possible !
Predators use it as a weapon to inflict pain, humiliation, and to exert themselves as superior.
..again, pls qualify !
Where can such a mentality, especially in terms of men committing violence towards women, come from?
...research in behavioural ecology and experimental psychology together with some of the other social sciences may offer convincing evidence !

It comes from our patriarchal and misogynistic societies where women have constantly been placed in an inferior and subservient position to men, where women are to "serve men" and are "less than" men, and are the "property" of men.
I don't think that is entirely true because we once lived in egalitarian societies. But then again, to some extent, dominant ideologies have known to influence human behaviour. I accept in part what you're saying ..
Pardon my ignorance, but would you be a woman RD1 ? No offence or discrimination intended, my own perception will be better aided to conceptualise.
Where men have to be less accountable for their actions because hey "boys will be boys."THIS IS TO BLAME first and foremost.
..I think the question here would be the whole human psyche. I mean, why give precedence and superiority to "man" in the first place if it were to be condemned later in time ? Evolution wouldn't have advanced such inequality if it deemed unfair, no way !
Thankfully, such ideologies are not promoted in Sikhism
..correct !
And this makes Sikhi so beautiful
.. matter of opinion !
From my understanding Sikhism indicates that our karma can be shaped and altered in our current life time, therefore, we have the power to choose and exert free will
..agree 100% ! Baba Nanak on page 465 SGGSJ is of the same view when he writes, "sikhi sikhyia gur vichar", meaning, gurus way is shapeless, boundless and liberates the spirit from the shackles of karma !
The vast majority do not have a a brain tumor.
...case in point is the principle ! what is rape, who is the rapist, who is the victim, what forces and factors are at work etc...can we have an objective view ?

At Law, we have to take account of two fundamentals: [1] Actus Reus and [2] Mens Rea to prove the accused guilty.
1. The prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was the accused who carried out the act [actus reus, say rape] and,
2. The accused had the intent [mens rea, say intention, unfettered will and voluntary disposition] to carry out the act.
The case in point with which I intercepted the discussion to hand was to show "circumstances" where some acts, albeit criminal, are in some respects involuntary. If that'd be correct, what must follow, hate or understanding ?
They have a sickening backward violent mentality.
..do they ? consider the following two cases presented before Judge RD1;
1. Husband who tried to strangle his wife.
In his defence the mitigating circumstances were that the husband served as a soldier in Vietnam during the war. He was conscripted, put through intensive training designed to condition him to attack on the slightest provocation, and then plunge straight into combat. Before that time the husband's character was impeccable and violence had been completely alien to him.
2. A woman accused of trying to kill her hubby with a knife:
It emerged during mitigation that the woman at the time of the alleged offence was suffering from unusually severe pre-menstrual tension [monthly periods causing hormonal imbalance]. And that otherwise, she is generally cute as a cucumber and is known to everyone as a model of calm and restraint.

..sentence or sympathy Judge RD 1, how much of it is their fault ?

Points to consider are highlighted above, meaning, human behaviour is not altogether voluntary and that, forces and factors beyond human control are at work. They need to be understood to dispense a fairer system of justice.

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n 2003, the "Archives of Neurology" carried a clinical report of a middle-aged man with no history of any misdemeanour or other related illnesses that were likely to certify him uncivil. He then at some point in time began to stash child pornography and sexually started molesting a young child of eight. Following police intervention when push came to shove, it was discovered through a brain scan that the frontal area of his brain had a tumor growing, invading the septum and hypothalamus [regions known to regulate sexual behaviour] accordingly. After the removal of the tumor his sexual appetite returned to normal.

What happened to him?
 

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.not just brain tumours, but also, forces and factors beyond human control that are responsible for human behaviour !

but surely many actions are carried out under mental duress, is not murder an emotional process? are not many murderers emotional at the time of murder? Does any of this have any bearing? If a murderer feels violent every time he eats cheese, as sorry as I am for this predicament, I would still rather they were locked up, without cheese.

.do they ? consider the following two cases presented before Judge RD1;
1. Husband who tried to strangle his wife.
In his defence the mitigating circumstances were that the husband served as a soldier in Vietnam during the war. He was conscripted, put through intensive training designed to condition him to attack on the slightest provocation, and then plunge straight into combat. Before that time the husband's character was impeccable and violence had been completely alien to him.
2. A woman accused of trying to kill her hubby with a knife:
It emerged during mitigation that the woman at the time of the alleged offence was suffering from unusually severe pre-menstrual tension [monthly periods causing hormonal imbalance]. And that otherwise, she is generally cute as a cucumber and is known to everyone as a model of calm and restraint.

..sentence or sympathy Judge RD 1, how much of it is their fault ?

again, what if the husband is set free, and I am behind him in queue at mcdonalds, and I cough loudly, and it freaks him, again, really sorry about the war and all, but should he not be segregated from society until I can cough safely? If the military did this to him, then he should be in a military hospital, as for the woman, again, I would not want to sell a computer to someone like this, yes, sympathy, in bounds, understanding as well, but we cannot have people in this state loose on the streets, sure we are all capable of actions under duress, but once that thin veil between action and thought is crossed, then I am afraid regardless, there has to be responsibility, not only to the person concerned, but to society, the truth is, most of us find ourselves in situations where we act out of character, but most of us have to take responsibility for these actions.
 

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I consistently strive to learn the truth about this world. So much of what we are fed is a complete lie. The history we learn is distorted, what politicians and the media tell us is distorted, the news is distorted, what big corporations tell is distorted. We are exposed to constant lies. This world is not just, human rights are consistently violated, money and greed takes precedence over everything else, our environment is destroyed, humans are just a commodity. The T.V. teaches us who is good and who is bad, and who to hate.

When you seek this truth, you realize how hellish this existence is - how much violence we commit to one another, how much poverty there is intentionally created, how much suffering there is in the world, and how truly powerless and small we are against the huge powers that dominate and control this world.

This truth seeking, and attempt to not delude myself, has opened my eyes to these awful discoveries. And essentially, I feel more negative, more hopeless, more miserable.

I see other people - perfectly good, happy, loving, positive people - who do not bother to concern themselves with this truth seeking. They do not constantly question what it is that is really happening in this world, they do not voluntarily expose themselves to uncovering the horrors of this world. They live in their own little life - taking care of their families, having a good time, working, travelling, watching entertaining shows, maintaining some sort of spirituality, doing some seva, and not thinking so above and beyond. They just live and be in their own lives. They seem better off for it - happy, loving, positive, and perfectly good people. I admire these traits that they have and cannot seem to emulate them so well myself.

If Guru has indeed blessed us with a good, comfortable life, then is it better to just insulate yourself in your own world, and just live and be? Why concern oneself with the truth of our existence, with the tragedies of the world brought upon by our corrupt societies, if it will bring about negativity within us?


It's wise to open your eyes and understand what's going on and the work that needs to be done. In the west, many humans have settled into complacency. We are born into the west to enjoy our lives, it's a blessing, but at the same time to help and serve including teaching others and those less fortunate than us.

Staying in chardi kala may seem difficult, but remembrance of the reality that He is all should allow you to see good in all.

Having seen the darkness, some are blessed to get up and rise to action, detach from the rubbish and to help lost souls get back on track. Our Gurus were the perfect examples of bringing people back to Truth, back home.

They came across all sorts, serial killers, thieves, corrupt leaders of empires as well as good souls and remained in chardi kala. The best examples are them.

They saw the darkness, the tenth masters children were killed by it and others were tortured by it. But they stayed in a state of chardi kala and acceptance, whilst bringing about change in living teaching and serving Sat.
 

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What happened to him?
..don't know of hand, but let me raid my archives, hey !
but surely many actions are carried out under mental duress, is not murder an emotional process? are not many murderers emotional at the time of murder? Does any of this have any bearing? If a murderer feels violent every time he eats cheese, as sorry as I am for this predicament, I would still rather they were locked up, without cheese.
..to establish guilt, both the act and the intent have to be present beyond reasonable doubt. The test on intent is set to a very high standard .. read up on R v Woollin to get the gist of what I'm saying !
again, what if the husband is set free, and I am behind him in queue at mcdonalds, and I cough loudly, and it freaks him, again, really sorry about the war and all, but should he not be segregated from society until I can cough safely?
..of course H, at heart is to protect the innocent from harm ! agencies are in operation.
If the military did this to him, then he should be in a military hospital, as for the woman, again, I would not want to sell a computer to someone like this,
..the point with which I was trying to advance was to show that there are other agents responsible for the way we behave, such as condition [environment] and hormones [genetic]. And, when it comes to sentencing we have to take into account mitigating circumstances, which doesn't remove the guilt factor but reduces the level of culpability.
yes, sympathy, in bounds, understanding as well, but we cannot have people in this state loose on the streets, sure we are all capable of actions under duress, but once that thin veil between action and thought is crossed, then I am afraid regardless, there has to be responsibility,
..absolutely !

Humans by nature are not criminal, hate and disgust is not the answer. The hate factor intensifies the focuses into emotion-cultivating and rage-rallying. Don't need that, Sikhi teaches different. We could collectively contribute towards getting more resources put into preventing and dealing with crime generally. We could collectively advocate for the diversification of resources into conducive enterprises and build close community networking to foster human values. We could invest much more into research and development to eradicate some if not all of our contemporary issues. The Indus valley civilisation [meaning us] once championed such a euphoric state where crime was never heard of. And, I'm humbled to acknowledge that our moral standards are high and high will they remain.

Goodnight Youngman !
 
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