Kaur Power

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"That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman? " Sojourner Truth, 1851

Mai -- people forget so easily.


Just for info: There may be some forum members who don't know who Sojourner Truth is. She was a very important "abolitionist" in the US who fought for the abolition of slavery and later for the right of women to vote. The same women who were being helped into carriages and over mud-patties when she was not, these women could not vote anymore than Sojourner Truth could save her children from being sold into slavery. And they resented her later when she fought for the emancipation of women.

 

[kds1980]

if there is a mutual liking...which i am not sure is the objective of arranged marriage as the starting point

I think We were discussing whether money is benchmark of succes for soceity or not.By saying that a truck Driver cannot marry a computer professional girl you have proved my point that money is benchmark.Now change the The person of my example from truck driver to owner of mini transport company owning 3-4 trucks and earning 1.5 lakhs per month.I am sure that in arrange marriage this person could marry a computer professional girl

in your previous posts you had mentioned that if women want men who would help them, they need to marry les successful/less earning guys

You said that Bill gates helped melinda and I said that there are millions of men who help their wives.
I don't know where i said that those are less earning men.Anyway may be there is misunderstanding on my part or on your part

who are those 100 ones?

Amar ji do you beleive that those who are most passionate about cricketget selected in cricket team.I think you need to read a lot about life of cricketers.One example is Yuvraj singh forget about him being passionate about cricket he use to run from cricket in teenage.He just fulfilled his father's dream.Cricket was never passion for him.Anyway its a big discussion who get selected.

 

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Kaur Power - Power to Truth

Soujourner Truth

Sojourner Truth (1797-1883) was the self-given name, from 1843, of Isabella Baumfree, an American abolitionist and women's rights activist. Truth was born into slavery in Swartekill, New York. Her best-known speech, Ain't I a Woman?, was delivered in 1851 at the Ohio Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio.

 

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Kaur Power - Power to the Mai

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Mai Bhago
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[spnadmin]

Kaur Power - More Power to the Mai


Guru Amardas condemned Hindus for sati, allowed widow remarriage. He divided the area (not explained in article as a specific geographic location, but we can assume Punjab) into 22 branches called Manjis and appointed a local Sikh preacher at each place. Here are the names of 3 women he appointed to preach Sikhism.

• Mai Das Bairagi in charge of Ludhiana dist.
• Mai Bhago at village Wayun, tehsil Kharar, dist. Rupar.
• Mai Sewan at Village Gardnoh in Patiala District.

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[/FONT]Guru Amardas ji

 

[kds1980]

Antonia ji

Thanks for putting this thread back on track .We men have already derailed this thread which include me also

 

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kdsji

No problem. I confess I don't know as much about cricket as I should. Learning experience.

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

About all I know of cricket is that Monty Panesar is easy on the eyes, lol!

Antronia ji, thanks for telling everyone about Sojourner Truth. She is one of my heroes, one tough, strong, loving woman that helps me feel good about being a member of the human race. If anyone is interested, her "Ain't I A Woman" speech can be found at Modern History Sourcebook: Sojourner Truth: Ain't I a Woman. It's only a few paragraphs long and well worth reading. Her courage and strength is truly touching. She is an empowering woman.


While all this discussion of the Mai is going on, perhaps it would be appropriate to explain my nickname, Mai. My name is Harinder Kaur, but from the day of my birth, I have always been called Mai.

When I was newborn, shortly after my first meal, mt youngest brother's best friend, a boy of 10, was asked to hold me. He started shaking, he was so scared to hold the tiny new life, but I was nonetheless thrust on him - and proceeded immediately to throw up that first meal all over him. My Dad cracked up and exclaimed, 'That one cannot tolerate a coward! We have another Mai Bhago on our hands.' And ever since, I have been Mai.

And I still believe in helping people to find the courage within themselves to be all they can be, hence this thread.

BTW, the boy wasn't really a coward, he just needed to be pushed a bit; I married him 18 years later to the day.

 

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BTW, the boy wasn't really a coward, he just needed to be pushed a bit; I married him 18 years later to the day.

That is wonderful to know!:happy:But then on the other hand, he got over it and went on to hold a lot of babies.

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

aad0002 - Antonia Ji said

That is wonderful to know!:happy:But then on the other hand, he got over it and went on to hold a lot of babies.

And he changed diapers, too!

What a sweetheart!:shy:

A real Khalsa gentleman.

 

[spnadmin]

Kaur Power - Strength of Women

YouTube - Strength of Women

Sat Kirin Kaur

 

[Astroboy]

Poetry Section - Strong Women vs Women of Strength

 

[spnadmin]

That was very moving, Nam Jap ji!

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

Nam Jap Ji,

I love that poem.

:idea:And I have a thought...

If I am expected to at least attempt to be both sant and sipahi...

Can I not also attempt to be a woman of strength AND a strong woman?

Hmmmmmm......

 

[Astroboy]

Best of Both Worlds - Punjabi Women
http://www.oise.utoronto.ca/CASAE/cnf2003/2003_papers/psodhiCAS03.pdf

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

nam jap ji -

I had to laugh as I read that paper. I remember how my brothers used to grumble about being expected to cook, do laundry, clean up, etc. by Dad who, while believing in gender equality, remained very much the patriarch. It mattered not one whit to Dad that they were married and had wives, in his home, everybody did everything.

And while I was pretty much free to socialise with whomever appealed to me, Dad saw to it that our home was the most pleasant place for me to hang out. I never had the slightest desire to date; I always knew who I wanted to marry and saw no point in bothering with 'boys.' I did write a post in my personal blog imaging how Dad would have reacted if some boy tried to date me; it is fiction, but I imagine it wouldn't be far from fact. sometimes - 2: MY DAD AND DATING

I was not raised as a typical Punjabi or even Punjabi-Canadian woman. I was explicitly told that there was one and only one thing that I was incapable of doing because of my gender - I simply could not father a child.

So I was brought up to be empowered. Sometimes I forget that other women, especially Sikh women have to break out of these psychological prisons. Whatever. There's no time like the present for all of us to start to become the strong, beautiful daughters of Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj Ji that we are most certainly capable of being.:happy:

 

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<<I think We were discussing whether money is benchmark of succes for soceity or not.By saying that a truck Driver cannot marry a computer professional girl you have proved my point that money is benchmark.Now change the The person of my example from truck driver to owner of mini transport company owning 3-4 trucks and earning 1.5 lakhs per month.I am sure that in arrange marriage this person could marry a computer professional girl>>

kds ji

you got it completely wrong.

I just pointed out that arranged marriages start with certain pre conditions and money is not always the motive, compatibility is.

However in love mariages, it is attraction and understanding

those who marry for money...God help them

btw, i have seen cases where girls have refused to marry guys with not only trucks but truck loads of money coz they were not educated enough.

it was not because they were "less" successful but because having similar metal and intellectual level makes life much easier.

many of the married board members can validate that.

please do not label a desire to get a person with same intellectual level as greed for money.

though i agree that quite a few girls who go for money, but that is a different story, i do not consider them quite smart

<<You said that Bill gates helped melinda and I said that there are millions of men who help their wives.
I don't know where i said that those are less earning men.Anyway may be there is misunderstanding on my part or on your part>>

please look back at your own post which started this debate. you mentioned that if educated women expect their husbands to help them, they should marry ones who are not so rich and not so successful.

this and later assertion that millions of men help their wives just proves the statement i made.

<<Amar ji do you beleive that those who are most passionate about cricketget selected in cricket team.I think you need to read a lot about life of cricketers.One example is Yuvraj singh forget about him being passionate about cricket he use to run from cricket in teenage.He just fulfilled his father's dream.Cricket was never passion for him.Anyway its a big discussion who get selected.>>>

oh yes, good that you brought it up, as far as i remember, Yuvraj used to sleep with a cricket bat with him....

don't believe my words, read his interview where he shares how much he loves cricket..

rediff.com: cricket channel: Transcript of an Interview with Yuvraj Singh

and yes, ur right, his father moulded him into a cricketer.

but there is no way to state that he was forced into one.


btw, what i wrote, is a juicy insider byte

 

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Kaur Power


http://www.mrsikhnet.com/index.php/2007/05/01/miri-piri-academy-leads-gatka-camp-in-new-delhi/

"Miri Piri Academy, being the only school whose curriculum includes a step-by-step certification program of the Sikh martial art, Gatka, was invited to New Delhi to instruct kids of ages of 10-17. Hosted by the Siri Guru Harkrishan Public School, around 300 students from different schools attended the three-day course (April 24 - 26) organized and run by students of Miri Piri Acadmey. This was headed up by Jugat Guru Singh, Sadasat Simran Singh, and Harimandirjot Singh of Chardikala Jatha who expressed that they have not experienced such an enthusiastic and heartfelt response in all the camps they have taught.

 

[kds1980]

Dear Amar

There is no point discussing as you hardly try to understand what I am saying

Let me clarify

1)Nowhere I am saying that women only marry money.I am just saying that in arrange marrige's the process start with the boy's income This the first concern of girl's parent's Then the process go further
The rejection could come at any stage from girl's side or boy's side.But If the boy's income is quite low compare to girl's income or financial status of Girl's parents the rejection is most probably possible
from girl's side at first stage.

please look back at your own post which started this debate. you mentioned that if educated women expect their husbands to help them, they should marry ones who are not so rich and not so successful.

this and later assertion that millions of men help their wives just proves the statement i made.

I am still saying that it is overall very good for Indian society if women start marrying men with less income Women who are succesful could say that it is pre condition for them to marry a guy who will help them is house hold work.But this will put majority of succesful,highly educated
men out because they will hardly accept this condition.If you understand this whole process of arrange marriage then you very well know that highly educated men are much in Demand in every community and every parents want their daughter to get married to them that's why they even pay high dowry to succesful men, on the other hand highly educated and high earning women are not much in demand
Infact marriage become difficuilt for them because there parents and they themselves look for men which are equally or more succesful and earning them.So the ball of arrange marriage alway's remain in succesful men's court.

And when I said helping wives then anybody could do it but that help could be of a minute or hours.It was general statement

oh yes, good that you brought it up, as far as i remember, Yuvraj used to sleep with a cricket bat with him....

don't believe my words, read his interview where he shares how much he loves cricket..

Yuvraj Singh: The Prince comes home: Cricket Next
Meha Bharadwaj: But cricket was not Yuvraj’s first passion, it was actually skating and he went on to become the National Skating champion. Can you explain us the incident when you got your father that medal? What happened to it?


Yuvraj Singh: I think, I was the youngest in the Under-14 batch, I was probably 11 or 12. I came back with a gold in the national skating championship and said, 'dad, I won a gold today.' But, he stopped the car, took out the medal from around my neck, took off my skates and threw them out of the window and said, 'from now on, you are going to play cricket!'


He further said that it is enough of your skating. And now if you don’t play cricket, I will break your legs. And I got so scared that I just said 'OK.' So, it was a bit forceful at that moment because I really didn’t enjoy playing one sport only. But after that I started to enjoy cricket a lot and that’s about it.

Now amar ji Do you still want to say that yuvraj singh was among most passionate of cricket among million of boys which were playing at that time

 

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kds ji

i know more abt the story first hand than the quotes you have given..hence you wouldn't understand.

<<I am still saying that it is overall very good for Indian society if women start marrying men with less income Women who are succesful could say that it is pre condition for them to marry a guy who will help them is house hold work.But this will put majority of succesful,highly educated
men out because they will hardly accept this condition.>>

once again, you are generalizing without much information.

by your assumptions, marriage of two well educated and professional persons is nothing but a disaster or a rarity.

however, i can see a lot of things to the contrary.

<<I am just saying that in arrange marrige's the process start with the boy's income This the first concern of girl's parent's Then the process go further The rejection could come at any stage from girl's side or boy's side.But If the boy's income is quite low compare to girl's income or financial status of Girl's parents the rejection is most probably possible from girl's side at first stage.>>

see kds ji

arranged marriage is a system with pros and cons

it is like matching two persons and people use indicators

guy's salary is just ONE of them, not something that overrides everything.

its simply a mating game, that happens in the natural world

males strut their stuff for females and they choose.

so a succesful woman will oviously look for a successful male.

but i want to point out that the assumption that having a less successful husband/wife makes life better is nothing but a sad attempt of chauvanism.