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Kirpan Attack By Dasam Granth Advocates Renews Sikh Dagger Debate: Did We Need This?

BhagatSingh

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These people are quoting Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Guru hargobind Sahib jis Battles against the Mughals....how very wrong and off the mark...

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Jarnail Singh ji,
Its not totally off the mark. Although I agree that the two situations are very different, there is one similarity.
In the simplest of words:
The battles between the Gurus and Mughals are perceived as Good vs Evil. So all one needs to do is convince themselves (which is easily done) that they are on the good side, and their target is evil. Now that they are on the good side, the sword can be drawn an voila you get an attack on the EVIL Bramptonian!

The reasoning (and believe me it does take thought) that it takes to go from reality to good vs evil needs to be firstly identified, analyzed then heavily criticized.
I believe that this reasoning maybe linked to the idea of obtaining martyrdom.
 

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Sat Shri Akal Sat Sangat Ji,

I would like to highlight one thing which has always been a issue.

Sikhs are the most technical people found on the planet but still going to countries other than india, we are always been seen as third guys because of this voilence acts, it is truly said that nobody can doubt our intelligence & hard working.

But voilence & gunda behaviors with swords or kirpan brings our respect down in other countries. As we all know crime reports sells the best in all countries.

We may do something good will not be published, but yes some crime will definately do and beacuse of few whole community has to suffer.

I believe it should be banned for the sake of respect of our gurus, we are not in a war now & do not require to hurt anybody.

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These type of incidents raise many questions:

foremost is:

Q: Are sikhs trustworthy when they say that dagger is a symbol of faith and is never used to attack?

Now answer to above question, depends upon what we practice in our life, be it attacking someone with dagger or something else. you decide it yourself.

And there is only one difference between a true Sikh and a namely sikh.. a true sikh practises Guru's teachings and other dont.

Second one is:

Q: How many times do we educate our community about the sensitivity of carrying dagger in public in western worlds.

In my life time, I have never experienced anyone in Gurudwara telling sangat about the senstivity of this issue and responisibility towards carrying a dagger in public.




In the end:

There is only one way to survive in a civilised society, and that is by being civilised and handling issues in an educated and smart way.

Why were Sikhs respected in past:

Because they practised Sikhism in thier lives, they lived thier life according to Guru's teachings and it was prevalent in all thier actions.


And above all:

Education and awareness is the only path forward towards civilized Society. A society which was visualised by our Gurus.



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and these idiots are also talking about...scissors..bricks..kitchen knives..etc etc as "objects that can KILL"..and so will these too be "banned" ?? What a stupid analogy..so stupid that there are no words to describe it...
Do people carry kitchen knives..bricks..scissors etc on their persons all the time as a KIRPAN is carried by Sikhs ?? so now by bringing in these common objects..they hope to hsow that a possible ban on the Kirpan is not feasible...and even IF IT is..then its PROF Darshan Singhs Fault..Lawyer Manjit Singhs fault..Sikh Lehr Gurdwara managements fault..just about EVERYBODYS FAULT..except their own !!! Such stupidity is being shown on their Forums.....
SIKHS have fought so hard and LONG..to get the Panj kaars ACCEPTED...and the KIRPAN is among the most difficult for others to "accept"..yet we succeeded...and NOW THIS !! Whats More..even the HUGE KARRAS these peole wear are under the scanner..as a Karra was also used to smash the Face of Manjit Singh !! ( I am sure then these guys will say..what about KNUCKLE DUSTERS then ?? Dont people use KD to hurt others...??
 

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and these idiots are also talking about...scissors..bricks..kitchen knives..etc etc as "objects that can KILL"..and so will these too be "banned" ?? What a stupid analogy..so stupid that there are no words to describe it...
Do people carry kitchen knives..bricks..scissors etc on their persons all the time as a KIRPAN is carried by Sikhs ?? so now by bringing in these common objects..they hope to hsow that a possible ban on the Kirpan is not feasible...and even IF IT is..then its PROF Darshan Singhs Fault..Lawyer Manjit Singhs fault..Sikh Lehr Gurdwara managements fault..just about EVERYBODYS FAULT..except their own !!! Such stupidity is being shown on their Forums.....
SIKHS have fought so hard and LONG..to get the Panj kaars ACCEPTED...and the KIRPAN is among the most difficult for others to "accept"..yet we succeeded...and NOW THIS !! Whats More..even the HUGE KARRAS these peole wear are under the scanner..as a Karra was also used to smash the Face of Manjit Singh !! ( I am sure then these guys will say..what about KNUCKLE DUSTERS then ?? Dont people use KD to hurt others...??


Gyani Jarnail Singh

I understand your feelings on this & you are right as well
and am equally angry but the question here is stop the voilence & misuse or stop keeping it,cause it is becoming a local threat to other people.

What has happened to Manjit Singh is a true shame but the highlight for everybody bring this question again & again.

It was a right decision in the past, but in present there is no war going on, the Kirpan is the simbolic asset we have which can be placed at home.

Have you ever seen a sikh getting angry in the middle of the road & uncovered Kirpan(I have seen it),school kids do this often.
Is this a respect to our asset where no one of them is making an self-defence but being aggressiveness.

What will happen if someone is killed by a sikh, both killed & killer will gonna pay for this, along with their innocent families & bad part is that this is happening.

If not banned as you say we might be over reacting & you are right also, can there be someway to educate them.

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If i hurt you sentiments i apologies.

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The real truth is that there is not a single incident from Guritihas..where the Guru sahibs or their Sikhs took up arms and hurt their "opponents" who were not in agrement with their religious beleifs...
1. Did Guru Angad's sikhs hurt any of those who opposed Guru Ji's gurgadee by Guru nanak Ji ?
2. Did Guru Amardass Jis sikhs ever hurt any of Guru Angad's family who didnt agree with Guru ji ?
3. Was Bhai Dasu, Bhai datu ji etc beaten..stabbed..chased away becasue they didnt agree with Guru amardass Jis Guruship ?..
4. Was Prithiyah..dhirmalls minas etc etc ever attacked by Sikhs..ever Guru hargobind Ji take up arms against them ??
5. Was RamRai beaten..stabbed..whatever...
6. Baba Vadbhag singhs followers fired on Guru Teg bahadur Ji....he was fired back on..and ran away to the hills !! Yet TODAY baba Vadbhag singhs dera of Bhoot Prets and manmatt is one fo the biggest deras in Punjab..No SIKHS go there to chastise them..stop the manmatt..in fact this dera is legitimised by the present sgpc set up for VOTES..

Gurus took up ARMS aginst ARMED ATTACKERS..not ORDINARY PEOPLE...even when these people didnt agree with them...The GURUS didnt attack a single Hindu King...or kingdom..even when these attacked Guru ji..the battle was fought on the Battlefield..not in RELIGIOUS PLACES. Guur Ji fought not to destroy Mandirs or Mosques..or desecrate mandirs or mosques...even though they didnt agree with them..they fought only TYRANNY and ZULM..regardeless of who/what religion.

SIKHS share the same GURU..why they fight among themsleves ?? why they brign shame on their religion ?? Always..when Logic fails..brute force is resorted to.like the case in Miri Piri gurdwara, asansol gurdwara..southhall london..and Toronto...sad times are ahead if it continues becasue neither side is going to be intimidated by the other..only solution is talk it out.
 
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One thing I have failed to understand is why we call Kirpan as "symbol of faith". And another thing, is a small 4" or 6" can be called a Kirpan. I remember more than 40 yrs back I attended a Gurmat Camp. We were given a topic to debate on - " The Size of Kirpan " What size can be called a Kirpan. Can a small 2" worn in neck or 4-6" in gatra can be called a Kirpan? After presentation of all logic everyone came to a conclusion that a Kirpan is a weapon. And any size that cannot be used as a weapon cannot be called a Kirpan. This camp was attended by many famous personalities of Sikhs some of them are still living.
Today Sikhs especially in the western countries have officially declared Kirpan as a "Symbol of faith". In that particular camp most of the young asked one question - " Are we believers of Symbols ?"
I feel this question would come up again and we may be confronted with same question and we have to give a straight answer.
I have seen many times small Amritdharee kids taking out their Kirpan during fights with their friends !
What is the solution to all this? The Answer my be uncomfortable !
 

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There was a KIRPAN MORCHA launched during the Akali Morchas of the GURDWARA SUDHAAR MOVEMENT in the 1920s...in which the SIKHS achieved VICTORY over the British Govt and the SGPC/Shaiormani Akali Dal were Formed. The KIRPAAN MORCHA was about..NOT LIMITING THE SIZE of the KIRPAN..and the BRITISH GOVT LOST that Morcha as well and the SIZE LIMIT on the KIRPAN was LIFTED. The KIRPAN has to be 3 ft long at the shortest. The SIKH Leaders who led this Morcha were conferred the KIRPAN BAHADUR AWARD.

Later the SIKH leadership, quietly gave way..and introduced the..small nine inch "chhotee kirpan..and then the 6 inch..then the 2 inch..and then the 2mm kirpan nailed on to the KANGHA !! THIS quiet and backdoor SUBJUGATION of the SIKH KAUM has continued..TODAY the SIKHS have LOST everything...their KESRI and BLUE COLOURS have changed to the OCHRE GLARING ORANGE of the Hindus..the BLUE on Nishan Sahibs has totally vanished except from NIHUNG Gurdwaras...everything is ORANGISH..the REHIT has become a RITUAL...Gurbani is SOLD openly by all and sundry...etc etc.. Its not athkathnee to say Sikhs are mere SYMBOLS...just outward show..no inside spirituality at all...just I am better than YOU !! One upmanship is the order of the day...
 
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Yes that Gurmat Camp was primarily for men.
My view is if we make Kirpan just a Symbol, we surly are heading for trouble. We can't sustain it logically. Lets ask ourselves do we need symbol to sustain Sikhism? We have to decide everything logically as per Gurbani. Just because we started making our maryadas illogically without the touchstone of Sri Guru Granth Sahib our young ones are discarding sikhi.
 

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If I had not had a sharp kirpan in Delhi, you would not be reading my silly posts these days because I would have achieved shaheedi and would be at my Guru's feet today. :carefreekaur:

And my son's murderer would be alive, running around, free to brag about the Sikhs he killed that day in November. :shockedkudi:

I do not believe children should carry sharp kirpans. Their brains are not fully formed and they CANNOT have real understanding of consequences. As I understand it, the frontal cortex is not fully formed until adulthood.

I believe that adult Amritdharis should carry sharp kirpans, if they feel they have the capacity to act rationally. We need to be able to protect ourselves and others; that is part of what a Sikh does. I also believe we and our children should study gatka so we can defend ourselves unarmed.

It should be legal for Amritdhari Sikhs to carry a sharp kirpan. I also believe that any Sikh, Amritdhari or not who uses a kirpan or any other weapon in a way that is illegal should be tried in a court of law as would anyone else committing the same act.

Now I'm tired...
 

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YES..SIKHS have to decide what a KIRPAN IS?
1. its a WEAPON (albeit to be used in self-defence/as a last resort )....IN GURU JIs time it was a WEAPON..clearly used in Battle and for self defence...not just show off.
2. Its a SYMBOL...(religiously mandated)

IF its a weapon..it has to be SHARP..it has to be at least 3 ft long and well crafted to be really useful in self defence....and THEN this "weapon" will have to run the gauntlet of various LAWS of Various countries..

IF its a Religious SYMBOL..then it can be 2mm or 2inches..or 6 inches or 9 inches.BUT BLUNT/capped permanently/soldered shut..whatever..isnce its just a SYMBOL to be worn for SYMBOLIC purposes.

Clearly we cant have it BOTH ways...keep calling it a symbol ( to obtain approval to carry it on our persons 24/7 ).... and then taking it out to stab people...(offensive weapon)
 

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YES..SIKHS have to decide what a KIRPAN IS?
1. its a WEAPON (albeit to be used in self-defence/as a last resort )....IN GURU JIs time it was a WEAPON..clearly used in Battle and for self defence...not just show off.
2. Its a SYMBOL...(religiously mandated)

IF its a weapon..it has to be SHARP..it has to be at least 3 ft long and well crafted to be really useful in self defence....and THEN this "weapon" will have to run the gauntlet of various LAWS of Various countries..

IF its a Religious SYMBOL..then it can be 2mm or 2inches..or 6 inches or 9 inches.BUT BLUNT/capped permanently/soldered shut..whatever..isnce its just a SYMBOL to be worn for SYMBOLIC purposes.

Clearly we cant have it BOTH ways...keep calling it a symbol ( to obtain approval to carry it on our persons 24/7 ).... and then taking it out to stab people...(offensive weapon)

I cannot imagine wearing a sword-length kirpan as I go about my everyday buisiness, not to mention while bathing and sleeping. My kirpan has a razor sharp 6.5 inch blade, (about the size of a small Bowie knife) which I have found adequate for self-protection. The one I had in Delhi was actually a war dagger that had been used by an ancestress of mine in the Hundred Years War (1337-1453) that was restored by a master swordmaker, slightly reshaping the blade into a kirpan shape about 5 inches long. It was of a size to get the necessary job done. If we had had more sharp kirpans in Delhi, I believe the history of the pogrom would be quite different, whatever the length of the blade.

Of course, there must be a couple of qualifications to carrying such a noble blade, whether knife or kirpan. The bearer must have sufficient self-control to use it only when truly necessary, never in anger, always in defence of oneself or someone else. Also, the bearer must be educated in the use of it as a weapon. Otherwise, in a fight, it would be more a liability than an asset.

Such a kirpan is a true kirpan, both defensive weapon and article of faith.
 
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What was the hundered years war ( 1337-1453 ) ?

A series of wars between France and England that just kept going on and on and on... If you have heard of Joan of Arc (Jeanne d'Arc, patron saint of France) that was her war. It was basically for dominance of western Europe. Who won depends on who you read. England was driven off the continent to the isle of Great Britain, but France was devastated because all most all the fighting was there. A fairly good summary in Wikipedia. Hundred Years' War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My ancestors on my mother's side were there, French, of course, including the woman that I get my French name, Helene-Therese, from.
 
What was the hundered years war ( 1337-1453 ) ?

The hundred-year war was the war that gave rise to Europe’s technological achievements. These wars between feudal city-states would go on to develop the tools of war, strategies, institutions and social policies that would eventually be used to conquer the sikh empire 300 years or so later to exploit its populace for land and resources.
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Kinda funny and sad, how all weapons are connected…with the help of human ingenuity they gravitate towards one another.

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The hundred-year war was the war that gave rise to Europe’s technological achievements. These wars between feudal city-states would go on to develop the tools of war, strategies, institutions and social policies that would eventually be used to conquer the sikh empire 300 years or so later to exploit its populace for land and resources.

Kinda funny and sad, how all weapons are connected…with the help of human ingenuity they gravitate towards one another.

ping

True and my description is a lot more fun and colourful.

It's a really strange connection between my two families that I'd never have thought about. I guess it's sort of that Six Degrees of Separation thing. Amazing how everything is so intricately intertwined.

Now, how to work in my Inuit great-great-grandmother?:blinkingkudi:
 
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Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahe ji ki fateh

I request humbly to Prabhleen ji where did read these lines said by Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

(gur ki ninda suney na kaan...tis bhait karo naal kirpaan..)

Under no circumstances there is any violent SHABAD used by Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Jaspi




well....i just wanna say this eventually i'm a non-violental boy...but still...it's the matter for our guru ji and it must be say..that..

gur ki ninda suney na kaan...tis bhait karo naal kirpaan..

wjkk wjkf


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It is sad to note that THE KIRPAN has become a symbol of debate among SIKHS. Just curious, do these SIKHS in Canada not have a SINGH behind their name, because on numerous articles that I have read, their names do not end with SINGH, forgive me no offense meant to anybody. Coming back to the issue of THE KIRPAN, it is not just a religious symbol but has a purpose, that a SIKH be everyready to defend, his faith, his family and to fight oppression in this age of KALYUG but not to attack innocent defenseless persons or use it for the purpose of getting stratification of hurting another human brother or sister out of anger. There must definitely be a valid reason as to why the TRUE KHALSA has been compelled to use these 5 Ks. If we raise too may questions and start debating on issues like this, are we in the position to come to a rightful conclusion? However, whatever the reason, the use of KIRPAN to hurt others is wrong and a barbaric act of uncivilized persons and must be condemned by all SIKHS. These persons should be charged according to the laws of the residing country. The deeds of a few irresponsible persons should not be construed as that of the whole SIKH community. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH,
 

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Wahe Guru ji ka Khalsa Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh.

To sum up all what has been on rise to these happenings causing century old faith and universally recognized of it as a non-violence relegion with full of Nimrata and Bhai Charis.

Because these literate and short sighted preachers failed tto preach to control 5 major issue preached by our GURUS before being baptized are:

KAM, KRODH, HANKAR, LOBH, GREEDby

Heroism is totally different aspect of Sikhism which is engraved in Sikh history to defend themselve with sword against tyrants and aggressors to against the humanity but not for small disagreements in Guru Dwaras to take out sword especially by baptized Sikhs.

That is why our Sikhs should not bring the people to Amrit Shakana when they are not ready to accept the rules and philosophy behind of NIMRATA and understand Amrit Shakana . It does not change any one to be a warier unless fully understand to Gurus teaching and defend against injustices or extreme threat to one's life.

Imagine in the history of Canada and world there is hardly any incident like what happened in Toronto. R There are daily incidents are being recorded for large and small scuffles in all Guru Dwaras.WHY ? Public at large especially our young generations are loosing their faiths to look at the Guru Dwaras as power hungry people.Ther are scraed to go to Gurudwars to get caught in any of these scuffles where Kirapna can used as a weapon .

It seems that we must realize soon where such incident of violence is recorded all our in main stream of Sikh organizations in center of Punjab where Violante is preached to solve local problem with hate and aggressive attitude than using the most power full tools "votes" to solve their problems by casting vote to the right person who can defend their
grievances.

We still can improve a lot from our Gurus teaching than accepting evolution of today's world.

Let Guru Dwaras be a prayer places where every one can go with Sharda to hear Guru's Gurbani and Cherish one's life.

Jaspi


The so called pendu mentality. Once again larger community will have to suffer because of 'heroic bravery' of few. Province of Quebec has already banned niqab and noone will shed a tear if Kirpan is next.

Attack renews Sikh dagger debate
Temple president stabbed with kirpan


The crowd of about 150 people was yelling obscenities and threats outside the Sikh Lehar Centre in Brampton when three temple officials stepped out to pacify them.

Within seconds, one in the crowd, clutching a thick steel bangle, punched Manjit Mangat, the 53-year-old president of the Sikh temple, in the face. Witnesses say at least two men brandished unsheathed kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial dagger.

The next moment, Mangat, a prominent Brampton lawyer, was on the ground — his face bloodied and a 5-inch wound in his abdomen.
Brampton’s Sukhwant Singh, in his early 50s, has been charged with attempted murder and aggravated assault, Peel police say. Singh’s next court appearance is on Thursday.

Any weapon could have been used in the attack, but the fact that it was a kirpan alarms Sikh leaders who fear the incident will rouse objections once again over one’s right to wear the religious symbol in public.

“We are fighting for two symbols all over the world — turban and kirpan,” said Gurdev Gill, who witnessed the attack on Mangat. “They have both been misused in front of everyone. Why would people listen to us when we now say that it (kirpan) is ceremonial in nature ... not meant to kill people?”

A steel blade anywhere from 2 to 8 inches long, the kirpan is supposed to be worn by baptized Sikhs at all times, sheathed under their clothes. But debates have raged across the country whether the wearing of the dagger, seen by Sikhs as a symbolic weapon in the fight against evil, compromises public security.

The kirpan is banned in Denmark and France and there have been several court cases in states of the U.S. involving the legality of wearing the kirpan in public places. But it is allowed in most public places in Canada, including at schools. There have been some incidents in the past in the Toronto area where the kirpan was used in an assault, but none as high-profile as the one on Friday in Brampton.

When Amanpreet Bal first heard about the scuffle and the stabbing, he hoped that a kirpan hadn’t been used. Every time, the kirpan comes back into the spotlight, “it means an uphill battle for us to educate people about its spiritual significance,” said Bal of the World Sikh Organization, an agency which has fought for Sikhs’ rights to wear the kirpan.

“Ignorant people have no idea what the impact of this (incident) can be,” he said. “The community will see the impact of this incident for years to come. It presents a tremendous challenge to the Sikhs.”

Controversy over the kirpan first burst onto the national scene in 2001 when Montrealer Gurbaj Singh Multani, then a 12-year-old student, accidentally dropped his 8-inch ceremonial daggerat school. It triggered a five-year-long dispute with the school board over his right to wear the dagger. In 2006, the Supreme Court of Canada upheld his right to wear it to school in a landmark judgment.

A debate erupted in Montreal again about 18 months ago when police said a 13-year-old student had allegedly threatened two students with his kirpan. In April 2009, a judge found him guilty of threatening them, but with a hairpin used to secure a turban.

The issue of the kirpan is a delicate one in the community. Sikhs will voice their concern about its misuse but few will openly discuss what can be done about it. Balraj Deol, editor of Khabarnama, a weekly Punjabi newspaper published in Brampton, says it is time for the clergy to examine the issue of how to make the kirpan safe.

“We have seen from time to time that people have used it as a weapon and it’s very dangerous,” said Deol.

Its size is one issue, he said. “It’s a religious symbol. It can be tiny,” not more than 2 inches long. He also points out that the kirpan — a really small one — can be worn around the neck, which would address security concerns.

Others have bounced the idea of locked kirpans — where they can’t be unclasped.

Harnish Athwal, a 35-year-old mother of two young girls, says Friday’s violence has convinced her that the ceremonial dagger must be made safer. She was inside the temple when the scuffle broke out and was one of the first people to reach Mangat, slumped on the ground.

“My kids saw it happen ... my 6-year-old daughter is still traumatized,” said Athwal, who also witnessed the incident. “She can’t understand why people would first yell and scream and then hurt someone so bad.”

Meanwhile, Mangat is home from hospital, recuperating. “I thank God that I am alive,” he said. One of the wounds, he added, is nearly 5 inches deep and next to the right kidney, others are on his legs and thighs.

But Mangat, who also wears a kirpan, says this abuse of the dagger should not be used against the religion. “These people have used religious emotions and symbols to attack others. It does not mean all Sikhs are violent.”

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The trouble with every tom and harry reading so much "KACHI BANI" is apparent..people begin to think that all such "rhyming poetry" must be GURBANI form SGGS....

Famous tuks NOT GURBANI..
1. Naam khumaree nanaka charree rehah din raat...
2. Guru ki ninda sunneh na kaan..bhet kirpann...
and Many many MORE are being popularised by sants like dhadrianwallah etc who LOVE kachi bani but never do kirtan of GURBANI.
 
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