Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself
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Dear all!
guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]
gu{ prmys{ Eko jwxu ]
"guru parmesaru ayko jaan." SGGS Ang 864-9
Guru, Parmesaru are One Experience.
'Jaanu' does not mean collecting information about Guru or Parmesar. 'Jaanu' is experiencing HIM.
Also, Guru does not mean the life of the person, Guru Naanak Dev Jee.
Balbir Singh
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!
guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]
gu{ prmys{ Eko jwxu ]
"guru parmesaru ayko jaan." SGGS Ang 864-9
Guru, Parmesaru are One Experience.
'Jaanu' does not mean collecting information about Guru or Parmesar. 'Jaanu' is experiencing HIM.
Also, Guru does not mean the life of the person, Guru Naanak Dev Jee.
Balbir Singh
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balbir Ji, gurfateh.
You are right....if one wants to Jannu ( Experience....gunggeh mathiyee khayee..) the Parmesar..that can be achieved through the GURU..in Gurbani, Mool mantar..we are enjoying the "experience" of parmesar through the writings of Guru nanak jyot 1469-1708..
Gyani jarnail Singh
balbir Ji, gurfateh.
You are right....if one wants to Jannu ( Experience....gunggeh mathiyee khayee..) the Parmesar..that can be achieved through the GURU..in Gurbani, Mool mantar..we are enjoying the "experience" of parmesar through the writings of Guru nanak jyot 1469-1708..
Gyani jarnail Singh
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Dear all and Gyani Jarnail Singh Jee!
Quote "....if one wants to Jannu ( Experience....gunggeh mathiyee khayee..) the Parmesar..that can be achieved through the GURU..in Gurbani, Mool mantar..we are enjoying the "experience" of parmesar through the writings of Guru nanak jyot 1469-1708.."
May I ask if the GURU in Gurbani is Mool Mantar or these are three different things? Please explain.
It is interesting that some are enjoying the 'experience' of Parmesar through the writings of Guru Naanak Jot 1469-1708. Please elaborate further if writings of others in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee also give the enjoyment and 'experience' of Parmesar? Please explain also how people got the enjoyment and 'experience' of it before the true Gurus wrote the Granth. Thanks.
Did the reverend Gurus provide a copy of their writings to one who wanted to learn Simran?
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Gyani Jarnail Singh Jee!
Quote "....if one wants to Jannu ( Experience....gunggeh mathiyee khayee..) the Parmesar..that can be achieved through the GURU..in Gurbani, Mool mantar..we are enjoying the "experience" of parmesar through the writings of Guru nanak jyot 1469-1708.."
May I ask if the GURU in Gurbani is Mool Mantar or these are three different things? Please explain.
It is interesting that some are enjoying the 'experience' of Parmesar through the writings of Guru Naanak Jot 1469-1708. Please elaborate further if writings of others in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee also give the enjoyment and 'experience' of Parmesar? Please explain also how people got the enjoyment and 'experience' of it before the true Gurus wrote the Granth. Thanks.
Did the reverend Gurus provide a copy of their writings to one who wanted to learn Simran?
Balbir Singh
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A quick response to one part of your post which is incorrect I think most Sikhs will agree.
Guru Jyot is eternal ie has always been and will always be. There is no time constraint.
A quick response to one part of your post which is incorrect I think most Sikhs will agree.
Guru Jyot is eternal ie has always been and will always be. There is no time constraint.
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The true Guru is one with Akal Purakh and there is no difference between him and Waheguru.Although he may be in physical form but being in union is devoid of ego's separateness. Such a Guru comes very rarely.
There can be persons on the path and are also Guru for their disciples. These guru's can uplift their disciples only up to the level they have reached.
In the case of Sikhs , the Guru Nanak jyote in 10th form placed the jyote in SGGSji. The gurbani as shabad guru is same as Akal purukh. SGGSji gives the gurprasad to its true disciples.The bani in SGGSji has all the capabilities of a true guru.
In all the case of all the disciples when through the True Guru the viels are lifted the disciple hears the Shabad within.
Now shabad is Guru as Guru Nanak Devji says in Sidh Gost.
( Source: Universal Mind)
The true Guru is one with Akal Purakh and there is no difference between him and Waheguru.Although he may be in physical form but being in union is devoid of ego's separateness. Such a Guru comes very rarely.
There can be persons on the path and are also Guru for their disciples. These guru's can uplift their disciples only up to the level they have reached.
In the case of Sikhs , the Guru Nanak jyote in 10th form placed the jyote in SGGSji. The gurbani as shabad guru is same as Akal purukh. SGGSji gives the gurprasad to its true disciples.The bani in SGGSji has all the capabilities of a true guru.
In all the case of all the disciples when through the True Guru the viels are lifted the disciple hears the Shabad within.
Now shabad is Guru as Guru Nanak Devji says in Sidh Gost.
( Source: Universal Mind)
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Dear all and Kaur-1 Jee!
Quote "A quick response to one part of your post which is incorrect I think most Sikhs will agree."
I agree with your observation. I may not be one of the most Sikhs though.
Quote "Guru Jyot is eternal ie has always been and will always be. There is no time constraint."
This may be right when someone recognizes it.
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Quote from Namjap Jee "In the case of Sikhs , the Guru Nanak jyote in 10th form placed the jyote in SGGSji."
May I ask when does SGGSji place this jyote in a Sikh?
Quote "SGGSji gives the gurprasad to its true disciples."
Can one count those or it is not possible?
Quote "In all the case of all the disciples when through the True Guru the viels are lifted the disciple hears the Shabad within."
Please provide a reference from Gurdev confirming that first the true Guru lifts the veil then the disciple hears the Sabad within. I will be thankful.
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The Gur and Parmesar are One. Can someone please explain what is that Gur, also Parmesar?
Balbir Singh
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Dear all and Kaur-1 Jee!
Quote "A quick response to one part of your post which is incorrect I think most Sikhs will agree."
I agree with your observation. I may not be one of the most Sikhs though.
Quote "Guru Jyot is eternal ie has always been and will always be. There is no time constraint."
This may be right when someone recognizes it.
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Quote from Namjap Jee "In the case of Sikhs , the Guru Nanak jyote in 10th form placed the jyote in SGGSji."
May I ask when does SGGSji place this jyote in a Sikh?
Quote "SGGSji gives the gurprasad to its true disciples."
Can one count those or it is not possible?
Quote "In all the case of all the disciples when through the True Guru the viels are lifted the disciple hears the Shabad within."
Please provide a reference from Gurdev confirming that first the true Guru lifts the veil then the disciple hears the Sabad within. I will be thankful.
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The Gur and Parmesar are One. Can someone please explain what is that Gur, also Parmesar?
Balbir Singh
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Here's the link : Say Sat Sri Akal - Live with Truth, achieve all Treasures and merge in Eternity
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- He who shows the Real Home in this body, is the true Guru
--the All-Powerful. He makes the Five--Sounded Word
reverberate in man and thus sounds forth the clue to the Word.
--Malar War M.1
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Guur Piayraio Jio,
Balbir Singh ji,
gurfateh.
Yes in my view Guru is Gurbani...Akal Purakh Jyot and this is Eternal. Therefore from time immemorial naam rasiuhs have been experiencing this jyot...example the Bhagats Kabir Ji Ravidass Ji Sheikh farid Ji etc etc.
2. Yes the Gurus wrote down thei Gurbani themsleves - and passed this down to the next Guru at Gurgadhi. Guru Arjun ji recompiled the collection into pothi sahib AAd Granth which was later bestowed Gurgadhi by Guur Gobind Singh Ji in 1708...as Guru Granth sahib Ji.
3. All have the chance to enjoy the experience of parmeshar thru Gurbani in Guru Garnth Sahib Ji. However if soemone else - say christian hindu muslim wanst or enjoys this experience thru a different means..it is not impossible..no one claims that ONLY SGGS is exclusive right to parmeshar..that wasnt before 1469 and it is not after 1708..Akal Purakh is beyond just one road or path..He is For ALL. For me and countless millions of SIKHS..SGGS is the easiest way..the best way to experince Parmeshar...others may wish to enjoy differently..good luck to them..
Gyani jarnail Singh
Guur Piayraio Jio,
Balbir Singh ji,
gurfateh.
Yes in my view Guru is Gurbani...Akal Purakh Jyot and this is Eternal. Therefore from time immemorial naam rasiuhs have been experiencing this jyot...example the Bhagats Kabir Ji Ravidass Ji Sheikh farid Ji etc etc.
2. Yes the Gurus wrote down thei Gurbani themsleves - and passed this down to the next Guru at Gurgadhi. Guru Arjun ji recompiled the collection into pothi sahib AAd Granth which was later bestowed Gurgadhi by Guur Gobind Singh Ji in 1708...as Guru Granth sahib Ji.
3. All have the chance to enjoy the experience of parmeshar thru Gurbani in Guru Garnth Sahib Ji. However if soemone else - say christian hindu muslim wanst or enjoys this experience thru a different means..it is not impossible..no one claims that ONLY SGGS is exclusive right to parmeshar..that wasnt before 1469 and it is not after 1708..Akal Purakh is beyond just one road or path..He is For ALL. For me and countless millions of SIKHS..SGGS is the easiest way..the best way to experince Parmeshar...others may wish to enjoy differently..good luck to them..
Gyani jarnail Singh
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Dear all and Namjap Jee!
Thanks for the wonderful reference from Gurdev.
"He who shows the Real Home in this body, is the true Guru
--the All-Powerful. He makes the Five--Sounded Word
reverberate in man and thus sounds forth the clue to the Word."
--Malar War M.1
What is that Five-Sounded Word? Please explain.
I heard preachers and Baabaas talking about fourteen hundred and thirty pages but never the Five-Sounded Word. Why?
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Quote from Gyani Jarnail Singh Jee "Yes in my view Guru is Gurbani...Akal Purakh Jyot and this is Eternal. Therefore from time immemorial naam rasiuhs have been experiencing this jyot...example the Bhagats Kabir Ji Ravidass Ji Sheikh farid Ji etc etc."
Why is your name missing in this list? I hope Naam Rasiuhs are experiencing this jyot today also.
Quote "Guru Arjun ji recompiled the collection into pothi sahib AAd Granth which was later bestowed Gurgadhi by gur Gobind Singh Ji in 1708...as Guru Granth sahib Ji."
Who informed Sikhs about this? Please provide the reference from Gurdev.
Quote "All have the chance to enjoy the experience of parmeshar thru Gurbani in Guru Garnth Sahib Ji."
All the true Gurus sing. One may experience Parmesar through Guru's Baanee. Nowhere Gurdev wrote once or said that it was the written book Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.
Quote "Akal Purakh is beyond just one road or path..He is For ALL. For me and countless millions of SIKHS..SGGS is the easiest way..the best way to experince Parmeshar...others may wish to enjoy differently..good luck to them.."
The book seller has many holy scriptures. Does he own God, His all paths and best luck?
Balbir Singh
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Namjap Jee!
Thanks for the wonderful reference from Gurdev.
"He who shows the Real Home in this body, is the true Guru
--the All-Powerful. He makes the Five--Sounded Word
reverberate in man and thus sounds forth the clue to the Word."
--Malar War M.1
What is that Five-Sounded Word? Please explain.
I heard preachers and Baabaas talking about fourteen hundred and thirty pages but never the Five-Sounded Word. Why?
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Quote from Gyani Jarnail Singh Jee "Yes in my view Guru is Gurbani...Akal Purakh Jyot and this is Eternal. Therefore from time immemorial naam rasiuhs have been experiencing this jyot...example the Bhagats Kabir Ji Ravidass Ji Sheikh farid Ji etc etc."
Why is your name missing in this list? I hope Naam Rasiuhs are experiencing this jyot today also.
Quote "Guru Arjun ji recompiled the collection into pothi sahib AAd Granth which was later bestowed Gurgadhi by gur Gobind Singh Ji in 1708...as Guru Granth sahib Ji."
Who informed Sikhs about this? Please provide the reference from Gurdev.
Quote "All have the chance to enjoy the experience of parmeshar thru Gurbani in Guru Garnth Sahib Ji."
All the true Gurus sing. One may experience Parmesar through Guru's Baanee. Nowhere Gurdev wrote once or said that it was the written book Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.
Quote "Akal Purakh is beyond just one road or path..He is For ALL. For me and countless millions of SIKHS..SGGS is the easiest way..the best way to experince Parmeshar...others may wish to enjoy differently..good luck to them.."
The book seller has many holy scriptures. Does he own God, His all paths and best luck?
Balbir Singh
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Malar ki Waar Mehla 1 is from the 1430 pages.
Malar ki Waar Mehla 1 is from the 1430 pages.
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It is very true that there is a mention of five sounded word but there is no clue to the same anywhere.The five sounded word has significance in sufis and some other sects like radhaswamis. Infact the radhaswami cult is surviving on this ignorance of the sikhs. There is also something like five in Anand sahib Paath. [Vaajay panch sabad {censored} ghar sabhagay........................]
We are totally ignorant about this. AS namjap ji has stated that God is the final guru, we shall have to depend upon the realisation if HE please. To say that we shall have the grace of SGGS ji will not imply much as guidance is available upto a limit. All we are to do is naam-simran besides lead a life of a sikh. There is nothing beyond this that we can do.
:idea:Best of luck to all of us.:idea:
It is very true that there is a mention of five sounded word but there is no clue to the same anywhere.The five sounded word has significance in sufis and some other sects like radhaswamis. Infact the radhaswami cult is surviving on this ignorance of the sikhs. There is also something like five in Anand sahib Paath. [Vaajay panch sabad {censored} ghar sabhagay........................]
We are totally ignorant about this. AS namjap ji has stated that God is the final guru, we shall have to depend upon the realisation if HE please. To say that we shall have the grace of SGGS ji will not imply much as guidance is available upto a limit. All we are to do is naam-simran besides lead a life of a sikh. There is nothing beyond this that we can do.
:idea:Best of luck to all of us.:idea:
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When one's mind quietens down away from the hustle bustle of worldly attention, one can train oneself to have rohani satsang within one's self.
Radha Soami use mainly gurbani from SGGS to propogate their own panth which circles around dehdhari gurus.
Many people have been taken for a ride into believing that dehdhari gurus are true masters. Read "fake babaas" posted by Surinder Kaur Cheema in SPN and you'll find how to sniff them out.
Yogi Bhajan explains what Guru ji (SGGS) says about Panch Shabad:-
Mantras are powerful tools for clearing and restructuring the subconscious mind. SAT NAM and its derivative SA TA NA MA are the two basic mantras taught by Yogi Bhajan to reorient the mind and thus open us up to the possibility of transformational change.
(Full article: Kundalini Yoga - Free On-Line Training Lesson 15 - Kirtan Kriya, for Evolutionary Change.)
When one's mind quietens down away from the hustle bustle of worldly attention, one can train oneself to have rohani satsang within one's self.
Radha Soami use mainly gurbani from SGGS to propogate their own panth which circles around dehdhari gurus.
Many people have been taken for a ride into believing that dehdhari gurus are true masters. Read "fake babaas" posted by Surinder Kaur Cheema in SPN and you'll find how to sniff them out.
Yogi Bhajan explains what Guru ji (SGGS) says about Panch Shabad:-
Mantras are powerful tools for clearing and restructuring the subconscious mind. SAT NAM and its derivative SA TA NA MA are the two basic mantras taught by Yogi Bhajan to reorient the mind and thus open us up to the possibility of transformational change.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SAT NAM seeds the truth in our consciousness by waking us up to our divine identity. SAT NAM is the seed or bij mantra.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA TA NA MA incorporates the nuclear sounds of SAT NAM. SA TA NA MA uses the primal sounds to connect us to the evolutionary nature of existence itself. It is referred to as the panch shabd, which means a mantra with five sound currents. The fifth sound is "A." When we chant SA TA NA MA we imprint the evolutionary code of the universe into our human psyche.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA is the beginning, infinity, the totality of everything that ever was, is or will be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TA is life, existence and creativity that manifests from infinity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NA is death, change and the transformation of consciousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MA is rebirth, regeneration and resurrection which allows us to consciously experience the joy of the infinite.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA TA NA MA is so primal that its impact on our psyche is like splitting an atom. The power of his mantra comes from the fact that it rearranges the subconscious mind at the most elementary level. It has the power to break habits and addictions because it accesses the level of the mind where habits are created.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yogi Bhajan says that "Behavior patterns are the result of the radiance of the psyche and frequency of the magnetic field in relationship to the universal psyche and magnetic force." (*1)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The radiance of the psyche is dependent upon the active functioning of both the pituitary and pineal glands. The pituitary gland regulates the entire glandular system. The secretion of the pineal gland creates a pulsating radiance that activates the pituitary gland. The mind goes out of balance when the pineal gland is dormant. The imbalance makes it seem impossible to break mental and physical addictions. The mantra SA TA NA MA to a powerful tool to recreate balance in the mind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA TA NA MA incorporates the nuclear sounds of SAT NAM. SA TA NA MA uses the primal sounds to connect us to the evolutionary nature of existence itself. It is referred to as the panch shabd, which means a mantra with five sound currents. The fifth sound is "A." When we chant SA TA NA MA we imprint the evolutionary code of the universe into our human psyche.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA is the beginning, infinity, the totality of everything that ever was, is or will be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]TA is life, existence and creativity that manifests from infinity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NA is death, change and the transformation of consciousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MA is rebirth, regeneration and resurrection which allows us to consciously experience the joy of the infinite.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SA TA NA MA is so primal that its impact on our psyche is like splitting an atom. The power of his mantra comes from the fact that it rearranges the subconscious mind at the most elementary level. It has the power to break habits and addictions because it accesses the level of the mind where habits are created.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yogi Bhajan says that "Behavior patterns are the result of the radiance of the psyche and frequency of the magnetic field in relationship to the universal psyche and magnetic force." (*1)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The radiance of the psyche is dependent upon the active functioning of both the pituitary and pineal glands. The pituitary gland regulates the entire glandular system. The secretion of the pineal gland creates a pulsating radiance that activates the pituitary gland. The mind goes out of balance when the pineal gland is dormant. The imbalance makes it seem impossible to break mental and physical addictions. The mantra SA TA NA MA to a powerful tool to recreate balance in the mind.[/FONT]
(Full article: Kundalini Yoga - Free On-Line Training Lesson 15 - Kirtan Kriya, for Evolutionary Change.)
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Respected naamjap ji,
Very many thanks for the information.The views are Of an idividual and the authencity of the source is put to question.Sikhs generally believe in sggs ji or bani or some direct or indirect reference to the Panch Shabad.
Could you kindly let us know as to what yogi ji claim would be Panch sabad.?
Respected naamjap ji,
Very many thanks for the information.The views are Of an idividual and the authencity of the source is put to question.Sikhs generally believe in sggs ji or bani or some direct or indirect reference to the Panch Shabad.
Could you kindly let us know as to what yogi ji claim would be Panch sabad.?
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There are lectures of Yogi Bhajan on sikhnet where one can delve into.
A glimpse of SGGS bani on panch shabad (Five Melodies) :-
The five-sounded Melody keeps reverberating and my soul
is ever attracted by It as a Sarang is ever after water.
O the Formless One beyond all knowledge!
I worship thee with all my heart.
Parbati KABIR
The five sublime strains become distinguishable,
The drum, the conch, and the thunder.
Ramkali Beni Ji
Bhai Gurdas Ji tells us that it is only after one transcends body-consciousness that one gets contact with the five-sounded Song.
There are lectures of Yogi Bhajan on sikhnet where one can delve into.
A glimpse of SGGS bani on panch shabad (Five Melodies) :-
The five-sounded Melody keeps reverberating and my soul
is ever attracted by It as a Sarang is ever after water.
O the Formless One beyond all knowledge!
I worship thee with all my heart.
Parbati KABIR
The five sublime strains become distinguishable,
The drum, the conch, and the thunder.
Ramkali Beni Ji
Bhai Gurdas Ji tells us that it is only after one transcends body-consciousness that one gets contact with the five-sounded Song.
When the spirit crosses over the world of matter, The five-sounded Melody comes to greet her. Varaan Bhai Gurdas Vaar 29
The soul of a true devotee can listen to the five- sounded Music, The Song of the Master is characterized by five distinct strains. Varaan Bhai Gurdas Vaar 6
The five Melodies constituting the Word come from Him and become the means of reuniting us with Him. The saints also adore the Word; in the Jap Ji we have:
The saint lives by and meditates on the One Word.
Japji Sahib Stanza 16
In the temple of the body whoever sings, and sings of the Lord, He, while singing, hears the five Melodies in the body and gets the highest glory.
GURU RAM DAS Sarang Mehla 4
Japji Sahib Stanza 16
In the temple of the body whoever sings, and sings of the Lord, He, while singing, hears the five Melodies in the body and gets the highest glory.
GURU RAM DAS Sarang Mehla 4
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Hi sherab ji,
I was just wondering if you could give the source of above info. Normally the word should not have 'ji'.
The discussion has shifted from the main topic to panch shabad. Any comment on Guru nanak dev ji that He was a creator or the Panch Shabad would be welcome.
Hi sherab ji,
I was just wondering if you could give the source of above info. Normally the word should not have 'ji'.
The discussion has shifted from the main topic to panch shabad. Any comment on Guru nanak dev ji that He was a creator or the Panch Shabad would be welcome.
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