Sex, Girlfriend, Am I Allowed?

spnadmin · Aug 17, 2011

Making It Clear ji :angryadminkaur:

imho So far nothing you have posted has been clear. My sense is that you are introducing astonishing assertions such as, "I believe that the first guru was born with out sex." In the end it hardly matters since the 11th Guru contains the wisdom of the Almighty One, who is self existent. I take your comment to be a wind-up. Maybe I am wrong. Is it worth it to take one such assertion at a time and ask you how you came to your conclusion? I don't know. However it does seem to me that you are attempting to redesign the conversation so you can move it in many different, sometimes contradictory directions. To succeed would put you in control of the thread. I cannot allow that. Please return to the thread topic. Thank you.

Making It Clear · Aug 18, 2011

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Thank you all for your comments
May god bless you!
Sat Sri Akal.

Making It Clear · Aug 18, 2011

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I’m sure the first guru was born without sex and Hindus predicted his birth 300 years before he came. Another thing to consider is that one of the Hindu gods were born too without sex and this was predicted as well.
You can’t judge Christianity with Sikh because they have been misinterpreted as well. This is because in their old scripture it says that Jesus created a wine purely from grape juice without no alcohol plus the kiss was supposed to be his breath of Religious secrets not what people see it as today as lip to lip.
I think that is a poor excuse for one to say that two souls unite when they have sex after marriage it only damages them and their health. They are still two souls no matter what or even when they are having sex. They only lose their nutrients. You are still two souls even if your touching someone else and proof is even if one person is dead and your touching them you can’t save them by absorbing their soul or let’s say unite with them. They always separate. Someone can only be one with god and that’s once they have achieved it.
What is so right with sex after marriage or all in any case the person only looses the nutrients in his sperm which god gave him to make him look good (that is the stuff that makes you look good and in that case you could consider it holy). Just like the liver is supposed to regenerate a person making their face look vibrant or good looking but then people ruin that as well by drinking and then on top of that it does not make sense when people say they want to look good.

Anyway I could keep talking, but in overall I believe religion is more innocent than it is. I am happy with my way of life and everyone has their own path plus no one can say who’s right or wrong because in the end you don’t know what is or what was actually written.
Thank you all for your comments
May god bless you!
Sat Sri Akal.

passingby said:
Go ahead, keep your mind alert, experience things and learn from it. I do not believe in following Gurbani word by word, I believe in understanding its spirit. Gurbani says lust is to be killed. But it would not be killed by repression. To dispell darkness one cannot expect to kill darkness. The darkness is to be replaced by light. Similarly sex will die of its own accord when mind rises above it owing to Grace, owing to spiritual practices and owing to good karmas. Its simple.
Who over here or anywhere for that matter can say that he did not have sex with his wife out of lust. Was there no lust at all when he had sex? That is a pure white lie. If that ever happened it must be a rarest of rare case.
Before marriage and after marriage lust is lust, so why make a discrimination? I suggest just be sincere and serious.
Rehatnama or code of conduct is a product of a time and conditions. Time changes and conditions change. What should not change is our alertness, our responsible behaviour, our sincerity towards ours and others life.

Making It Clear · Aug 18, 2011

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Thank you all for your comments
May god bless you!
Sat Sri Akal.

Harry Haller · Aug 18, 2011

I refuse to enter a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but great posts!

Ambarsaria · Aug 18, 2011

Harry Haller ji great one liner.

I decided also on the same course of action, a few posts back. What a loss if the person is not lying and is a Sikh! This being a section for the future generation.

Sat Sri Akal.

Harry Haller · Sep 9, 2011

I see you only had 90 mins sleep last night too eh

iMAN2 · Nov 25, 2012

singh351 said:
Basically I’m a Sikh boy living in the UK. I have just turned 16 and for the past few months have been gaining allot of female attention with Sikh and Christian girls. I was wondering whether it is a sin to have a girlfriend. Does it matter what colour, race or religion she is? Is it wrong to have premarital sex even if you really love and care for the girl? In the eyes of the UK law I am fully permitted to engage in sexual intercourse but what about Sikhism rules?
Surely god is not racist and does not discriminate between colour and race?

:hmm::shy:

go for it

spnadmin · Nov 25, 2012

Sikhi is about what is happening inside your heart and what you are doing to someone else. I don't know about "go for it." It would be a valuable conversation to have if we left out all the external reasons for refraining from sex outside of marriage... say, diseases like AIDS, unwanted pregnancy, shaming by family and community, honor killings, and forced marriages. Things like that, all true, but also all fairly useless for growing people of character. Perhaps a different talk to have is about why sex outside of marriage, promiscuous sex, sex with multiple partners is a bad idea. That might get the talk closer to values of Sikhi, more so than talking about what might happen to us if we don't walk the line. Sikhi really is a path that encourages growing our character from moral roots. Obedience is not character, and turns us into paper dollies. The SGGS rarely pounds away at scriptural reasons for this and for that. No ear-beatings can be heard in gurdwara for that reason. No amount of "do this" and "don't do that" really can lead us to discover our moral selves or recognize when we really should feel remorse and guilt for our actions.

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