Re: Are we allowed to have Tattoos and Piercings
No, personal experiment for what reason?
No, personal experiment for what reason?
That's what i want to know?
Did you click on the link Why Do Normal People Get Tattooed?
Here it is BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | So why do 'normal' people get tattoos?
What is a ritual?
- any customary observance or practice
- of or relating to or characteristic of religious rituals; "ritual killing"
- the prescribed procedure for conducting religious ceremonies
- of or relating to or employed in social rites or rituals; "a ritual dance of Haiti"; "sedate little colonial tribe with its ritual tea parties"- Nadine Gordimer
- stereotyped behavior
So IMHO, I don't think tattoos are a ritual - unless they are customary acts in a society and part of a religious or cultural ceremony.
Can we be intolerant of tattoos if they are part of a culture's religious practices?
Should we use Gurbani to condemn other people who may use tattoos as part of their religious and cultural experience?
Tattooing can be done to fit in. In tribal societies where tattooing was done ritually, it often represented a part of the transition from childhood to adulthood and everyone went through this process.
Well that says right off the bat ritually is there even a point of going any further; next point they bring up is about ego. So really either way tattooes and piercings falls into the five theives or its a ritual. Take your pick or pick both LOL
Is this how Gurbani defines a ritual?
because we dont give a damn if they are rituals or not. You seem to care so much so why don't you go ahead and explain what rituals are in gurbani and how tattoas are rituals.Everything Gurbani explains is not directly said. For this Tattoos are rituals and fit into rituals. I am finding it hard to believe aad ji and Bhagat ji, the team are finding it difficult to prove tattoos are not rituals
Is this how Gurbani defines a ritual?
because we dont give a damn if they are rituals or not. You seem to care so much so why don't you go ahead and explain what rituals are in gurbani and how tattoas are rituals.
EDIT: SHEEESH!!
lol i had that reply written up but i got busy with someone on msnHAHAHAHAHHAHA I am surprised you held off this long man LOL :happy::happy:
I think i proved my point unless Aad ji wants to say something else
For some reason u always think u proved something when in fact u dont prove anything at all.I think i proved my point unless Aad ji wants to say something else
Show me where Gurbani offers a definition of a ritual. An actual definition of a ritual, Singh ji. Please do not quote a line or two that uses the word "ritual" but rather a definition of "ritual."
Example: "Oh Nanak! A ritual can be defined as follows." Ang xxx
Here's Shabads by Bhagat Kabir ji.
GAUREE, KABEER JEE: If Yoga could be obtained by
wandering around naked, then all the deer of the forest would be liberated. || 1 || What does it matter whether someone
goes naked, or wears a deer skin, if he does not remember the Lord within his soul? || 1 || Pause ||
If the spiritual
perfection of the Siddhas could be obtained by shaving the head, then why haven.t sheep found liberation? || 2 ||
Exactly! Lords name is more important! I can't stress that enough.If
someone could save himself by celibacy, O Siblings of Destiny, why then haven.t eunuchs obtained the state of supreme
dignity? || 3 || Says Kabeer, listen, O men, O Siblings of Destiny: without the Lord.s Name, who has ever found salvation? ||
4 || 4 || GAUREE, KABEER JEE: Those who take their ritual baths in the evening and the morning are like the frogs in the
water. || 1 || When people do not love the Lord.s Name, they must all go to the Righteous Judge of Dharma. || 1 || Pause
|| Those who love their bodies and try different looks, do not feel compassion, even in dreams. || 2 || The wise men call
them four-footed creatures; the Holy find peace in this ocean of pain. || 3 || Says Kabeer, why do you perform so many
rituals? Renounce everything, and drink in the supreme essence of the Lord. || 4 || 5 ||
I add what is the use for keeping long , uncut hair, ", to one whose heart is filled with the love of duality?"GAUREE, KABEER JEE: What use is
chanting, and what use is penance, fasting or devotional worship, to one whose heart is filled with the love of duality? || 1 ||
O humble people, link your mind to the Lord. Through cleverness, the four-armed Lord is not obtained. || 1 || Pause || Setinnocent love, the Lord is met. || 4 || 6 || ang 324
aside your greed and worldly ways. Set aside sexual desire, anger and egotism. || 2 || Ritual practices bind people in
egotism; meeting together, they worship stones. || 3 || Says Kabeer, He is obtained only by devotional worship. Through
I have explained it above. You can't take my quotes and gurbani quotes (or any other quote for that matter) out of context, it kills the meaning.Quote:
4 || 4 || GAUREE, KABEER JEE: Those who take their ritual baths in the evening and the morning are like the frogs in the
water. || 1 || When people do not love the Lord.s Name, they must all go to the Righteous Judge of Dharma. || 1 || Pause
|| Those who love their bodies and try different looks, do not feel compassion, even in dreams. || 2 || The wise men call
them four-footed creatures; the Holy find peace in this ocean of pain. || 3 || Says Kabeer, why do you perform so many
rituals? Renounce everything, and drink in the supreme essence of the Lord. || 4 || 5 ||
Ya renounce everything! Dont worry about things like long or short, cut or uncut, hair or anything else.
Its best you rethink what this shabad is actually saying!