Sikhs Reflect And Object. Who Will Cast The First Stone?

Mai Harinder Kaur · Jul 22, 2010

Randip Singh said:
Well If you and Amritdhari Sikh, then the following 4 things must be avoided:

In the Rehit Marayada (http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_six.html), Section Six, it states:

The undermentioned four transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided

1. Dishonouring the hair;
2. Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way(Kutha);
3. Cohabiting with a person other than one's spouse
4. Using tobacco.

Sikh Rehit Maryada

If you are Amritdhari and so any of these four, you have lost Amrit and need to retake if you wish to be a Khalsa.

If you are not Amritdhari and do any of these, you are still a very bad girl! :disguestedkudi: Or boy! :disgustedmunda:

But you are still a Sikh, imokudihugmundahug

Rupinder.Singh · Jul 24, 2010

Sat Sri Akal (to my bros/sis who understand this)

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh (to my bros/sis who think the first one is not complete)

Salaam (to my bros/sis who only understand this)

Namaste (to my bros/sis who only understand this)

Good Day (hopefully everyone will understand this)

I ask everyone a question, spot a difference among all the above greetings..we can come up with thousands....

Now, spot a common thing among all the above greetings...imo there is only one and that is "underlying intention".

This underlying intention is governed by "MANN", and Whole of Gurbani revolves around freeing the "MANN".

Sikh--in plain language means "A Learner", and to be a learner does not require one to fit in certain framework. Any one can be a learner in any form, at any age.

When a learner stops learning, he is no more a learner, and so is no more a Sikh.

ਪੰਨਾ 727, ਸਤਰ 8
ਬੰਦੇ ਖੋਜੁ ਦਿਲ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ ਨਾ ਫਿਰੁ ਪਰੇਸਾਨੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
O human being, search your own heart every day, and do not wander around in confusion

Guru ji asked us to search our "MANN" and learn from it, everyday. Guru ji never said do it till u are 45yo, or only after 45 yo or any other constraint.

I am a learner, and no one can stop me from learning. So is a Sikh..no time dependent entity can stop a sikh from being a sikh.

Learning process is like a multi staged game, you can only see next stage if you have cleared the previous stage. So the learner (player) learns as they progress ahead.

Now if today I have learnt that smoking is not good for health, then I will stop smoking from today, if tomorrow I somehow learn that drinking is not good either, I will stop drinking but that will happen only after tomorrow...but if someone accuses me today that I am not learning...then you guess who is at fault...I would say..I am learning but probably not at a pace you expect me to...but that never means I am not a learner

Same is true with a Sikh, A Sikh is never meant to be completely learned, coz once one considers himself completely learned..there is no more learning.. and there will be no more sikh in him...

This Thread's initial theme was to classify a sikh, IMO classification is not a Sikh principle. Because classification is based on attributes, and attributes are only limited to human understanding.

Sikh is meant to be truly free. And that is the definition of a SIKH

Regarding submitting articles on Sikhchic.com, my opinion is learn from everyone, learn from everything, being selective will only reduce my chances to learn more. If we say only people with certain attributes.. can talk/write..that means we are not giving others a chance to learn, or share their knowledge..or are afraid that it may contradict our own beliefs/practices. or we dont want to acknowledge their learnings. these states are not states of a free mind. A true Sikh should be open to all and open for all.

Just wanna add one more thing here, if someone tells me to smoke a ciggie, and I start smoking...it is not called learning..It is called following. So Sikh(Learner) has to make sure they are learning..and not just following.

Religion is a classification of people by people for people. and so are the sub-divisions of any religion. It has nothing to do with GOD.

I hope I am making some sense ... :confusedmunda:

Bhul Chuk Maaf ji,

Rupinder Singh

mundahug

Tejwant Singh · Jul 24, 2010

Rupinder.Singh said:
Sat Sri Akal (to my bros/sis who understand this)

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh (to my bros/sis who think the first one is not complete)

Salaam (to my bros/sis who only understand this)

Namaste (to my bros/sis who only understand this)

Good Day (hopefully everyone will understand this)

I ask everyone a question, spot a difference among all the above greetings..we can come up with thousands....

Now, spot a common thing among all the above greetings...imo there is only one and that is "underlying intention".

This underlying intention is governed by "MANN", and Whole of Gurbani revolves around freeing the "MANN".

Sikh--in plain language means "A Learner", and to be a learner does not require one to fit in certain framework. Any one can be a learner in any form, at any age.

When a learner stops learning, he is no more a learner, and so is no more a Sikh.

ਪੰਨਾ 727, ਸਤਰ 8
ਬੰਦੇ ਖੋਜੁ ਦਿਲ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ ਨਾ ਫਿਰੁ ਪਰੇਸਾਨੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
O human being, search your own heart every day, and do not wander around in confusion

Guru ji asked us to search our "MANN" and learn from it, everyday. Guru ji never said do it till u are 45yo, or only after 45 yo or any other constraint.

I am a learner, and no one can stop me from learning. So is a Sikh..no time dependent entity can stop a sikh from being a sikh.

Learning process is like a multi staged game, you can only see next stage if you have cleared the previous stage. So the learner (player) learns as they progress ahead.

Now if today I have learnt that smoking is not good for health, then I will stop smoking from today, if tomorrow I somehow learn that drinking is not good either, I will stop drinking but that will happen only after tomorrow...but if someone accuses me today that I am not learning...then you guess who is at fault...I would say..I am learning but probably not at a pace you expect me to...but that never means I am not a learner

Same is true with a Sikh, A Sikh is never meant to be completely learned, coz once one considers himself completely learned..there is no more learning.. and there will be no more sikh in him...

This Thread's initial theme was to classify a sikh, IMO classification is not a Sikh principle. Because classification is based on attributes, and attributes are only limited to human understanding.

Sikh is meant to be truly free. And that is the definition of a SIKH

Regarding submitting articles on Sikhchic.com, my opinion is learn from everyone, learn from everything, being selective will only reduce my chances to learn more. If we say only people with certain attributes.. can talk/write..that means we are not giving others a chance to learn, or share their knowledge..or are afraid that it may contradict our own beliefs/practices. or we dont want to acknowledge their learnings. these states are not states of a free mind. A true Sikh should be open to all and open for all.

Just wanna add one more thing here, if someone tells me to smoke a ciggie, and I start smoking...it is not called learning..It is called following. So Sikh(Learner) has to make sure they are learning..and not just following.

Religion is a classification of people by people for people. and so are the sub-divisions of any religion. It has nothing to do with GOD.

I hope I am making some sense ...

Bhul Chuk Maaf ji,

Rupinder Singh

mundahug

Rupinder ji,

Guru Fateh.

Well said. Thanks for this lovely input from you.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Astroboy · Jul 26, 2010

Sikhism being the youngest of the world religions, traces its origin from Guru Nanak. Like other faiths, it assumed the character of a distinct religion only in subsequent times. Its Masters never claimed any novelty for their teachings. In fact, they laid great emphasis upon them as being the truths taught from time immemorial. To underline the universality of the spiritual message, Guru Arjan Dev (the fifth Guru), when compiling the Sri Adi Granth, the holy scripture of the Sikhs, drew the hymns and devotional pieces from the mystical writings of saints of all castes and creeds, including Kabir the Muslim weaver, Dhanna the jat, Ravi Das the cobbler and Sadna the butcher, etc.

In my syllabus from SGGS Academy Malaysia, one of the discussion books are about Life of Bhagats. The inner light--antar jot--and the inner music--panch shabd, or the five-melodies, whose music is limitless (anhad bani), are a recurring theme in nearly all of the compositions contained in the Granth Sahib.

But what have we made Sikhism look like today is a wide array of opinions all coming from the mind and not from the Guru.

Antar Guru Aradhana
Jehwa Jap Gur Nao
Netri Satgur Pekhna
Srawani Sun-na Gur Nao

The door towards true Sikhi opens from within. We have to self-introspect ourselves and criticize our own actions, and thoughts before pointing fingers at others.

We have to rise above the worldly consciousness into the blissful state by hearing the Anhad Shabad. This is not a matter of reciting, talking, discussing or explaining but simply pure experience. Sikhism is all about the experiencing of this eternal bliss while living our lives as regular folks.

ballym · Jul 26, 2010

A sikh is one who never says that his religion is best and all others are not worth a look.
Bhai Harbans Lal Ji has rightly defined sikhi earlier. learning from other religions are not wrong or bad.Following them exclusively and leaving sikh ideas makes one a non-sikh.
Surprisingly, I saw only two votes for Khalistan non-support as a sign of being sikh!
The movement did a lot of damage already.
See, why sikhs are not coming in support of Sir Phoolka. They joined Bhindranwale out of fear only. Why not many were declarig him a saint in 1984 to even upto 2000. All this noise has started recently... and surprisingly most of the supporters may not have been bor in 1984!
That is how history is made on heresay evidence.

Mai Harinder Kaur · Jul 26, 2010

ballym said:
A sikh is one who never says that his religion is best and all others are not worth a look.
Bhai Harbans Lal Ji has rightly defined sikhi earlier. learning from other religions are not wrong or bad.Following them exclusively and leaving sikh ideas makes one a non-sikh.
Surprisingly, I saw only two votes for Khalistan non-support as a sign of being sikh!
The movement did a lot of damage already.
See, why sikhs are not coming in support of Sir Phoolka. They joined Bhindranwale out of fear only. Why not many were declarig him a saint in 1984 to even upto 2000. All this noise has started recently... and surprisingly most of the supporters may not have been bor in 1984!
That is how history is made on heresay evidence.

As a long-time supporter of Khalistan and an admirer of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale Khalsa ji, I must disagree with you. I became a Khalistani when my family was murdered in the Delhi Genocide. My husband, however, had been one since the 1970s. So would you really deSikh one of our shaheeds who died because he refused to cut his kes and could not deny his being a Sikh.

Ballym ji, I do not mind a bit if you do not support Khalistan, that is according to your belief and conviction, but please do not throw away those of us who do.

My husband was a Sikh. He was also a Khalistani. Now he is a shaheed.ikonkaar

I am a Sikh. I am also a Khalistani. I was unworthy of shaheedi, so I am still here to argue with you.

Seeker9 · Jul 27, 2010

Dear all

Please don't take this the wrong way but I am curious as to why tobacco is so prominent in this poll and is deemed to be worse than alcohol which surely has a more rapid intoxicating effect

Incidentally, I have never smoked!

hpannu · Jul 28, 2010

Seeker9 said:
Dear all

Please don't take this the wrong way but I am curious as to why tobacco is so prominent in this poll and is deemed to be worse than alcohol which surely has a more rapid intoxicating effect

Incidentally, I have never smoked!

Dear Seeker Ji,

All intoxicants are not to be taken by any means to a SIKH. You are absolutely wright about tobacco and alcohol. Infact in SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB - Guru Sahib ne Sikhan noo tambaku varge chote jehe nashe ton vi varjeya hai ( Guru Sahib has asked SIKHS not to take even a tobacco -which is considered to be very light compared to other intoxicants - meaning all intoxicants are a big NO to a SIKH).

In reality now a days SIKHS say no to Tobacco and say yes to all other intoxicants. Go to Punjab and see for yourself what's going on ........

I hope this clarifies everything for you.

Bhul Chuk Maaf,
Harjot Singh:blueturban:

hpannu · Jul 28, 2010

ballym said:
A sikh is one who never says that his religion is best and all others are not worth a look.
Bhai Harbans Lal Ji has rightly defined sikhi earlier. learning from other religions are not wrong or bad.Following them exclusively and leaving sikh ideas makes one a non-sikh.
Surprisingly, I saw only two votes for Khalistan non-support as a sign of being sikh!
The movement did a lot of damage already.
See, why sikhs are not coming in support of Sir Phoolka. They joined Bhindranwale out of fear only. Why not many were declarig him a saint in 1984 to even upto 2000. All this noise has started recently... and surprisingly most of the supporters may not have been bor in 1984!
That is how history is made on heresay evidence.

Ballym Ji,

I am a supporter of Khalistan and I was there in the 80's and 90's. I did not support Khalistan out of fear of Sant Bhindrawale - infact it was the other way around. Sant Bhindranwale and all other Shaheed's of 84 were not recognized by the SIKHS till 2000 out of fear ( punjab police and government prosection of SIKHS ).

Now I will answer some of your questions above and ask you a few questions myself -

why SIKHS are not supporting Sir Phoolka ? we SIKHS are so bad now a days we don't even recognize the person for 26 years of service to 84 victims.

joined Bhindrawale out of fear only ? there were many supporters of Bhindranwale - both HINDUS as well as SIKHS. Even if you say HINDUS were afraid of him what did SIKHS have to fear from SANT BHINDRANWALE ?

Why not many were declarig him a saint in 1984 to even upto 2000. - i answered this above. It was the other way around - fear of prosection not fear of Bhindranwale. Remember Bhindranwale was not alive - so we were not afraid of him.

All this noise has started recently... and surprisingly most of the supporters may not have been bor in 1984! - what is wrong with asking for FREEDOM ? you live in Canada and enjoy freedom, why don't you go live in HINDUSTAN ? if you believe SIKHS are free in HINDUSTAN !

That is how history is made on heresay evidence. HISTORY is made by the winning party (because they have control). Look at our History - British overwrote it and who is going to fix it ? definately not Indian Government.swordfight

Tejwant Singh · Jul 28, 2010

hpannu said:
Dear Seeker Ji,

All intoxicants are not to be taken by any means to a SIKH. You are absolutely wright about tobacco and alcohol. Infact in SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB - Guru Sahib ne Sikhan noo tambaku varge chote jehe nashe ton vi varjeya hai ( Guru Sahib has asked SIKHS not to take even a tobacco -which is considered to be very light compared to other intoxicants - meaning all intoxicants are a big NO to a SIKH).

In reality now a days SIKHS say no to Tobacco and say yes to all other intoxicants. Go to Punjab and see for yourself what's going on ........

I hope this clarifies everything for you.

Bhul Chuk Maaf,
Harjot Singh:blueturban:

Harjot Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

You are right about the intoxicants and their harm to our bodies and I am glad that Sikh traditions forbid the use of anything that is harmful.

In other words any thing in access like Tea, Coffee,food like fried stuff, which is very common in our households is harmful because Gurbani says," Tun, Munn, Dhan sabh chor Guru koh, Hukam maneiyei payei".

Sikhi gives us the foundation to breed goodness within so we become aware what things are harmful and harmless.

I do not know if you have idea that there is a lot of fermentation in our stomachs when we eat food which produces alcohol inside and is harmless.

You said:

Infact in SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB - Guru Sahib ne Sikhan noo tambaku varge chote jehe nashe ton vi varjeya hai

Would you be kind enough to give the whole verse where you got that from with the page number and also along with copying and pasting the literal translation, can you also put the verse into prose in your own words and what message it brings to you?

If you happen to know Gurmukhi, as I presume you do, then you can also consult Sahib Singh darpan to express the verse in your own words.

Thanks and regards

Tejwant Singh

Seeker9 · Jul 28, 2010

I thought I would stick in my tuppence worth on the theme of the events of June 1984 and the subsequent desecration of the Golden Temple

I genuinely know little in this respect so will just make a general observation that the Golden Temple is sacred ground and I blame BOTH sides for turning it into a war zone

As for the Independent Republic of Khalistan....here's a question as I am genuinely interested in what you think and again, I have litlle knowledge myself...but is such a state a necessity or a "nice to have" or even unnecessary in terms of the Sikh faith and trying to live by Sikh values?

And how would it be implemented?

What about national issues like currency, law, taxation, defence, international trade etc.Just curious!

swordfight

spnadmin · Jul 28, 2010

Seekr9 ji

I understand your eagerness to get to the bottom of things. But this will be a digression from the thread topic. So we have to stay with this thread.

Seeker9 · Jul 29, 2010

Narayanjot Kaur said:
Seekr9 ji

I understand your eagerness to get to the bottom of things. But this will be a digression from the thread topic. So we have to stay with this thread.

off course, no problem at all
Had just picked up on references to 1984 and Khalistan in earlier posts on this thread but agree we don't want to go off at a tanget!
:happymunda:

ballym · Jul 29, 2010

Mai Harinder Kaur said:
I became a Khalistani when my family was murdered in the Delhi Genocide.

As I wrote somewhere else, two of my brothers were in Delhi at that time.
My point is about Bhidranwale's capabilities and mismangement.
I am for more benefits to sikhs but should be done right way.
Armed fight without real power is like committing suicide. and in this case it resulted in worse things. Sikhs are totally alienated now.
movements must be well thought out. how can a four rear movement be called a real movement?
it did more damage that good, except for people who cornered some money either on this side or police side ( who got money and medals from govt.)
Common Sardar got the boot.
I am writing in a hurry. please excuse mistakes.

Rupinder.Singh · Jul 30, 2010

It is rightly said , history belongs to winners.

No matter what happened to us in 1984, no matter what happened to tamils in 2009, no matter what happened to REd Shirts in 2010 in Thailand. It has over and over been proved in all these incidents, that history belongs to winners.

So anyone who is not in power, but rebels, is portrayed as Terrorist, Extremist to the rest of the world.

And a single line from Power people, "Whatever actions were taken, were taken to restore law and order" whitewashes the whole blood shed, and the whole world gets back to normal.

We all need to learn from this and make sure that we dont fall in this trap ever again. Dont do anything that labels us extremists, troublemakers, or anything else.

There are communities, which are world widely profiled as extremists, we all have to make sure we dont get our community listed on that list.

Every action needs to be monitored, every thought has to align with SGGS in all aspects, then only we will attain Khalsa state, and people will be willing to migrate and live in this state. This state will not be bounded by boudaries, actually it will have no boundaries. NO one will be forced to be Khalistani, but people will themselves feel proud to be called Khalistani.

We need to raise ourselves so high that no one in the society ever questions our integrity, wisdom and love for humanity.

Only in that situation, we will be able to survive the power politics.
mundahug

Astroboy · Jul 30, 2010

Dont do anything that labels us extremists, troublemakers, or anything else.

That, in a way isn't the correct thing to do. Sikhism survived despite being labeled as extremist during the time of our Gurus. Read the life history of Guru Amar Das for example. Even during Guru Nanak's time, the Mughals like Babur locked him up in jail. But he was released with the request of holy people. Birbal tried to collect taxes from the sikhs of Guru Amar Das Ji and threatened to arrest them but he was unsuccessful. In Birbal's eyes, sikhs were trouble-maker because they alone resisted the Moghuls. The power was being held by Moghuls. If you want your name to be written in history, then you should stand out for a good cause despite being labeled a trouble-maker.

Rupinder.Singh · Jul 30, 2010

Thanks Namjap ji,

Sorry I could not word it right in the first place. but you have corrected it in the right essence now.

yep..We have to stand out/up for Good cause in the right way, then we will never be labeled as troublemakers..no matter what Power People say about us...

Thanks very much.
:thumbsupp:

hpannu · Jul 30, 2010

Tejwant Singh said:
Harjot Singh ji,

Would you be kind enough to give the whole verse where you got that from with the page number and also along with copying and pasting the literal translation, can you also put the verse into prose in your own words and what message it brings to you?

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Tejwant Singh · Jul 30, 2010

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ਪੰਨਾ [/FONT]554[/FONT]

Harjot Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for the verse, but I am afraid you forgot to read the whole post. You may be aware that many members here do not read Gurmukhi and they do not know what the above means. Many who can read Gurmukhi may also not understand what kind of message the verse is trying to convey.

Allow me to re post my request again so that we can all learn from this. The main idea is to understand Gurbani and practice it.

My initial request:

Would you be kind enough to give the whole verse where you got that from with the page number and also along with copying and pasting the literal translation, can you also put the verse into prose in your own words and what message it brings to you?

Please share your Gurmat wisdom with us.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

hpannu · Aug 2, 2010

Tejwant Singh said:
Harjot Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for the verse, but I am afraid you forgot to read the whole post. You may be aware that many members here do not read Gurmukhi and they do not know what the above means. Many who can read Gurmukhi may also not understand what kind of message the verse is trying to convey.

Allow me to re post my request again so that we can all learn from this. The main idea is to understand Gurbani and practice it.

My initial request:

Please share your Gurmat wisdom with us.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant Singh Ji - first of all i apologize for the late reply. i will tell you my reason. I really don't like to translate GURBANI as requested by you because when posted on the Internet using blogs there is no control on the responses and don't want to get into an argument over it. Also you might know more than me. The only thing i can suggest to users who don't know GURBANI is to make a good effort to learn it. GURSIKH di sangat vich raho. For every SIKH out there learning GURBANI is a must there are no other choices. My response to the message might have been little different than the one i am posting.

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slok mÚ 3 ] (554-13)
salok mehlaa 3.
Shalok, Third Mehl:
mwxsu BirAw AwixAw mwxsu BirAw Awie ] (554-13)
maanas bhari-aa aani-aa maanas bhari-aa aa-ay.
One person brings a full bottle, and another fills his cup.
ijqu pIqY miq dUir hoie brlu pvY ivic Awie ] (554-14)
jit peetai mat door ho-ay baral pavai vich aa-ay.
Drinking the wine, his intelligence departs, and madness enters his mind;
Awpxw prwieAw n pCwxeI Ksmhu Dky Kwie ] (554-14)
aapnaa paraa-i-aa na pachhaan-ee khasmahu Dhakay khaa-ay.
he cannot distinguish between his own and others, and he is struck down by his Lord and Master.
ijqu pIqY Ksmu ivsrY drgh imlY sjwie ] (554-15)
jit peetai khasam visrai dargeh milai sajaa-ay.
Drinking it, he forgets his Lord and Master, and he is punished in the Court of the Lord.
JUTw mdu mUil n pIceI jy kw pwir vswie ] (554-15)
jhoothaa mad mool na peech-ee jay kaa paar vasaa-ay.
Do not drink the false wine at all, if it is in your power.
nwnk ndrI scu mdu pweIAY siqguru imlY ijsu Awie ] (554-16)
naanak nadree sach mad paa-ee-ai satgur milai jis aa-ay.
O Nanak, the True Guru comes and meets the mortal; by His Grace, one obtains the True Wine.
sdw swihb kY rMig rhY mhlI pwvY Qwau ]1] (554-16)
sadaa saahib kai rang rahai mahlee paavai thaa-o. ||1||
He shall dwell forever in the Love of the Lord Master, and obtain a seat in the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||

Sikhs Reflect And Object. Who Will Cast The First Stone?

When is someone NOT a Sikh (check as many as apply)?

He/she has not taken Sikh Baptism (khande de pahul)

His/her spouse is not a Sikh

His/her children marry outside of the Sikh faith

He/she eats meat

He/she consumes alcohol or other intoxicants

He/she cuts, dyes, threads, shaves hair

He/she smokes

He/she is a member of a dera

He/she engages in yogic practices

He/she seeks inspiration from the writings of other religions

He/she has sexual relationships outside of marriage

He/she wears western clothes

He/she has a personal guru or baba

He/she opposes Khalistan

He/she supports Khalistan

He/she chooses a career that is not in line with Sikh values

Other. Kindly tell us about it in the discussion thread.

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