First of all let me thank all who took time to read thread I started and expressed their views. That is why this Site is great I feel. According to what I think, the people who strongly disagreed with me really deserve answers to their questions. I am not here to judge people,as some did since Gurbani discourages it.
I shall start with sardara123, he wrote
PLEASE FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT GURU IS.
You are disrespecting Guru Ji by making this post.
Guruship is passed on to Gurus when the Soul is ONE WITH THE CREATOR, WHEN THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE LEFT."
Sir, be my teacher in this regard, let me tell you what your ignorant student(me) knows About Guru.
Guru Granth Sahib is my Guru. I am saved and guided by GGS ji in the past and presently. With GGS Ji’s guidance I have learnt to battle with the primal forces, to keep always Guru Shabad as my light to live in His creation and face challenges. I have learnt what I have shared with you not from any preacher or scholar but GGS ji. As guided by Guru ji, WAHEGURU doesn’t incarnate. I adore my Guru, respect my Guru (to very high esteem) but my aim of life is HIM as stated by Guru. Why? Here is Hukam
Bharo mehla 1 ਸੋ ਜਨੁ ਐਸਾ ਮੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ ਆਪੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ11 1126 ( in essence that I like those who by over coming their ego and fall in love with Waheguru and live according to Gurmat) How dare I disobey this Hukam of Satguru Nanak? Satguru asks us to be in love with HIM period.
If I missed any thing, your enlightened vision is welcome,
Next is pyramid ji
With all due respect, pyramid ji
I urge you to reread your comments about namjap and me. They are a sheer display of your anger and frustration. Gursikhs do not do that, remember, never forget what Satguru has taught us, by merely calling Guru God will take you know where. Satguru Nanak’s identity was kept well by all Satguru Sahiban, no doubt. Guru Granth is “pargat guran kid eh” literally IT is them. With what reason you call Satguru Nanak God Himself ? The word 'Himself' is questionable because about this Himself Satguru declares in Moolmantra that He is beyond birth and death. Gurbani simply states that one who is lost in Him becomes LIKE Hiim
When Gurbani states that HE is every where, there is nothing but Him, obviously it describes His Infinity. Here His being present every where and it also proves that He doesn’t take birth individually. You tell the learners, they will worship only Bani and Satguru and will ignore HIM. Satguru asked people to read Vedas because in there also HIS praise is vital. A Sikh should give up all other things that come in the way of falling in love with Him, whatever it is. There are many ways to adore and respect Satguru Sahbad but never ever say He came individually on earth. Following is your quote I referred
“Guru Nanak Dev Ji was considered a Guru by the public when they found Creator qualities in Him.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji passed on Guru Gaddi to Guru Angad Dev Ji. So Guru Angad became Nanak and so on untill Gurgaddi is passed on to Guru Granth Sahib Ji- Now Gurbani is Nanak. So is every realized Soul. Nanak is the Creator Himself, present everywhere. One who realizes Him turns into Him. Gurbani confirms this fact over and over again.paramyd
This understanding that 'person' is Guru- confuses many people. Any realized soul is God Himself. There is no difference between God and that person. Gurbani: Brahmgyani aap parmesar(A God realized person is God Himself).
Pyramid
What is Guru? If it is not God then who is? Pyramid”
In various Shabad Guru word was used for the one who enlightens others by being lost in HIM and also in context of the Almighty who blesses those who stay in tuned to Him with His grace and makes available His Nam through the enlightened ones. Remember even the enlightened ones can have only His two qualities, being fearless and without any enmity. Satguru that is why gives stress on only HIM
Here is Satguru bachan
ਹਰਿ ਪੜਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੁਝਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਖਹੁ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ ॥੫੧॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 937)
( in essence only He should be meditated on, only His love be in mind, only His memory be in mind since He is my support) Note I avoid word by word translation because English cannot express it in complete sense due to many reasons)
Pyramid again
“ I just noticed a few days ago PK70 was misquoting Gurbani and then a wrong ang# was mentioned by him
It seems like he is here just to misguide people. Namjap is already following a self styled preacher, good job.
Apne Guru nu chhad ke PK varge de lar laggo.
Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru”
Many times, I type "meditate as medtiate and through as throw"does it mean I am not aware of these common place words? Mistakes happen while typing and thinking together without taking much time to consult references. Being new to this site I even didnt know that people on this site just copy and paste material on site, Sikh 80 made me realized that. I just used to write and read. When I saw totally distorted meaning of Gurbani, I just try to point out. I didn’t know people on this site will take personally. Look how easily they lose cool ;one example say it all, read your own words above.
For that misquote/or wrong page, I apologized, if you want me to do that for your pleasure again, I can do that. Typing but not consulting is no excuse, I believe too. Following is good for both of us.
ਤਾ ਕਉ ਸਮਝਾਵਣ ਜਾਈਐ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਭੂਲਾ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਖੇਲ ਕਰੇ ਸਭ ਕਰਤਾ ਐਸਾ ਬੂਝੈ ਕੋਈ ॥੩॥ ॥੪॥੯॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1329)
In essence:we should go to guide some one then if one is lost, it is just all His play, a few understand that)
Aad0002
Is Satgur an Incarnation of the Creator?
NO if you are Sikh of Shabad Guru. Then Sat Guru can not be a human being after Sri Gobind Singh.
YES if you are a follower of another group for example Sant Mat. Then a person ascends to stage of Satgur.aad0002
Aad0002 ji
I agree but respectfully disagree because the thread was not about immortality of
Satguru Nanak.
