@harkiran ji, I never said you posted a shabd, all i asked was I wanted to read the basis of your belief about births and deaths from Gurbani while quoting the full shabd...
I ask everybody to post full shabds as a rule of thumb.
I am sure I posted full shabads on this before and my full interpretation of them. My view of "reincarnation" as it were or "transmigration" falls in line with Gurbani saying that all is one (generally speaking). The idea of Nirgun / Sargun aspect of Waheguru. Form which emenates from formless. Consciousness being the base of existence and having a real intrinsic connection to matter. So to me, "we" really means Waheguru. And Waheguru has been the 'doer' behind everyone and everything since the inception of the Universe. So my understanding of what transmigration / reincarnation is, does not refer to "separate" souls as if we are all separate entities body jumping after death and starting a new separate life. Rather, the one who continues to exist in every human, is Waheguru. And the only experiencer / doer who has ever existed behind every entity that has ever breathed (and also every inanimate object, plant etc as well) is one and the same.... Ik Onkar, Waheguru, Akal Purakh.
I really don't want to get back into the same discussion again since I know several people on here will never leave the simple psychology explanation (states of mind) referring to this one physical life and having nothing to do with actual spirituality etc. Posting a shabad about reincarnation is only asking for an argument again and I'd rather not engage in arguments because I feel its not productive.
But here is one, not specifically reincarnation related but does explain that Waheguru IS every character in this reality and always was and always will be (our Ego identity, or experience of being a separate entity is only that we have forgotten who we really are... an actor playing this character). I know some will try to say that the characters are just states of mind... like if I am angry thats a character etc. But I can't see how that fits.
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧
रागु सूही महला ५ घरु १
Rāg sūhī mėhlā 5 gẖar 1
Raag Soohee, Fifth Mehl, First House:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਬਾਜੀਗਰਿ ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਜੀ ਪਾਈ ॥
बाजीगरि जैसे बाजी पाई ॥
Bājīgar jaise bājī pā▫ī.
The director stages the play,
(the director is Waheguru)
ਨਾਨਾ ਰੂਪ ਭੇਖ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥
नाना रूप भेख दिखलाई ॥
Nānā rūp bẖekẖ ḏikẖlā▫ī.
playing the many characters in different costumes;
(all of us, the animals, the plants, minerals etc.. everything)
ਸਾਂਗੁ ਉਤਾਰਿ ਥੰਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥
सांगु उतारि थम्हिओ पासारा ॥
Sāʼng uṯār thamiĥa▫o pāsārā.
but when the play ends, he takes off the costumes,
(when this world ceases to exist, or... if we look beyond the 'play' to the formless Ik Onkar, Waheguru...)
ਤਬ ਏਕੋ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
तब एको एकंकारा ॥१॥
Ŧab eko ekankārā. ||1||
and then he is one, and only one. ||1||
(...we see that everything is really ONE.... everything is Waheguru)
ਕਵਨ ਰੂਪ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਓ ਬਿਨਸਾਇਓ ॥
कवन रूप द्रिसटिओ बिनसाइओ ॥
Kavan rūp ḏaristi▫o binsā▫i▫o.
How many forms and images appeared and disappeared?
(all form, in this creation which came from the formless Ik Onkar. This means all life, all inanimate objects, etc. Everything which is 'matter' - the Sargun expression of Nirgun formless Creator)
ਕਤਹਿ ਗਇਓ ਉਹੁ ਕਤ ਤੇ ਆਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
कतहि गइओ उहु कत ते आइओ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Kaṯėh ga▫i▫o uho kaṯ ṯe ā▫i▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Where have they gone? Where did they come from? ||1||Pause||
(Making us think, who is the ONE. Who is the originator, the doer, behind it all)
ਜਲ ਤੇ ਊਠਹਿ ਅਨਿਕ ਤਰੰਗਾ ॥
जल ते ऊठहि अनिक तरंगा ॥
Jal ṯe ūṯẖėh anik ṯarangā.
Countless waves rise up from the water.
(alludes to the expanse of Creation, countless forms arising from formless - the ocean itself is flat akin to formless, and waves emanate from it as forms, giving us an analogy of our separate identities, emanating from the ONE pool which we all emerge.. and that is Waheguru)
ਕਨਿਕ ਭੂਖਨ ਕੀਨੇ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗਾ ॥
कनिक भूखन कीने बहु रंगा ॥
Kanik bẖūkẖan kīne baho rangā.
Jewels and ornaments of many different forms are fashioned from gold.
ਬੀਜੁ ਬੀਜਿ ਦੇਖਿਓ ਬਹੁ ਪਰਕਾਰਾ ॥
बीजु बीजि देखिओ बहु परकारा ॥
Bīj bīj ḏekẖi▫o baho parkārā.
I have seen seeds of all kinds being planted -
ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰਾ ॥੨॥
फल पाके ते एकंकारा ॥२॥
Fal pāke ṯe ekankārā. ||2||
when the fruit ripens, the seeds appear in the same form as the original. ||2||
(gold is the base, jewellery is 'form' from the unmoulded gold, seeds planted give rise to trees and plants, but then the plants / trees produce seeds the same as the originator showing us that we are reflections of the divine - we carry the divine within us).
ਸਹਸ ਘਟਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਆਕਾਸੁ ॥
सहस घटा महि एकु आकासु ॥
Sahas gẖatā mėh ek ākās.
The one sky is reflected in thousands of water jugs,
(The ONE Waheguru is reflected in all of creation)
ਘਟ ਫੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਓਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸੁ ॥
घट फूटे ते ओही प्रगासु ॥
Gẖat fūte ṯe ohī pargās.
but when the jugs are broken, only the sky remains.
(similarly remove the physical bodies, and you will see the deivine light... or if you prefer, when the Ego is broken, you can see it while the body still lives )
ਭਰਮ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥
भरम लोभ मोह माइआ विकार ॥
Bẖaram lobẖ moh mā▫i▫ā vikār.
Doubt comes from greed, emotional attachment and the corruption of Maya.
(doubt about these facts come from our attachment to this physical existence as a separate entity)
ਭ੍ਰਮ ਛੂਟੇ ਤੇ ਏਕੰਕਾਰ ॥੩॥
भ्रम छूटे ते एकंकार ॥३॥
Bẖaram cẖẖūte ṯe ekankār. ||3||
Freed from doubt, one realizes the One Lord alone. ||3||
(Remove all doubt and you see that all is the ONE Creator)
ਓਹੁ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਬਿਨਸਤ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
ओहु अबिनासी बिनसत नाही ॥
Oh abẖināsī binsaṯ nāhī.
He is imperishable; He will never pass away.
(since we ARE the Creator... this is significant!)
ਨਾ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਜਾਹੀ ॥
ना को आवै ना को जाही ॥
Nā ko āvai nā ko jāhī.
He does not come, and He does not go.
(Because Waheguru exists beyond this creation)
ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਲੁ ਧੋਈ ॥
गुरि पूरै हउमै मलु धोई ॥
Gur pūrai ha▫umai mal ḏẖo▫ī.
The Perfect Guru has washed away the filth of ego.
(and here we have it, ego itself is what is preventing us from this realization... the haume we have to realize these false identities for what they are)
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੧॥
कहु नानक मेरी परम गति होई ॥४॥१॥
Kaho Nānak merī param gaṯ ho▫ī. ||4||1||
Says Nanak, I have obtained the supreme status. ||4||1||
(the realization of being ONE and the same with Creator, such that there is no difference)
If you are going to ask me if I believe that "Harkiran" will be reincarnated, you will be asking the wrong question. Harkiran is only a character. However, the consciousness behind this character, is the true ME. And my real identity WILL go on to experience other perspectives. I know I explained this before... anyway, I am not going to discuss it because I know where the conversation will go. So we can just agree to disagree
