Turban is different from Janeu?
Turban is not for high castes but all humans!
Turban is not a privilege but a promise to Guru!
Turban is different from Janeu?
You can go on till you start making any sense. Read everything again and tell me how in present context, Turban is different from Janeu?
Brother,drpranavsingh Very good thought indeed. I want to say except those blinded by faith, and those compelled by their profession, almost all turbaned Sikhs have an inner secret desire to cut hair and save time from hours of grooming every day. Most of them are in denial and write long posts on these forums trying to hide insecurities.
Dear Friend
Are you looking for some script within Sri Guru Granth Sahib?
well if Yes then i would say there is hardly any chance as GUrbani there hardly deals with Physical issues regarding eating , drinking , what to wear what not But more regarding the How to relate to physical world .
But If your answer is no then there are other documents like Hukamnamas wher guruji called sikhs to Anadpur sahib and asked them to come there with Shastars and unshorn hairs
Well one more thing I would like to make clearfor my sake here
Do you think that all our Beloved Guru Sahibans Didint keep unshorn hairs. I mean that do you believe that there could be possibility that they cut there hair
Well if not then why are you looking for text . Do everthing that is to be done has to be penned down in text otherwise it is useless .If all our gurus lived there life in way than that is good enough reason ( atleast for me )
Thanks
Jatinder Singh
Oh really? what does 'he' do when 'he' finds out? cessation of chocolate rations? 40 days of darkness? cats and dogs living together?HAIRS ON THE HUMAN BODY IS BY NATURE, AND GOING AGAINST THIS NATURE COULD ATTRACT HIS DISPLEAURE FOR A SIKH.
Excellent, so we follow the teachings of Guru Nanak, and attempt to emulate his look, not to further ourselves, or to attempt to carry on the good works of the Gurus, or to have found enlightenment or knowledge, but because we are scared. Is it perhaps an Islamic or Christian forum you were looking for?The God in his Will and wisdom has created the complete human being. To interfere with the God given body by circumcision, puffing a hole in the ear or nose and cutting or dyeing the hair are prohibited and treated as disobedience to God’s Will. A God fearing person can never prefer his will and wish to prevail over the God’s Will and can never make any alterations in the God gifted boon, which could attract His displeasure.
yup seems clear to me, all roads end in hair, right?In whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahibji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) on almost every Ang (page) there is written about
All of the above qualities very clearly implies that every sikh must be keshadhari.
- ‘Kudrat’ (Nature)
- ‘Bhana’ (will of GOD)
- ‘Hukam’ (divine order)
- ‘Nimarta’ (humble and politeness) or prideless
Ok, so let me get this right, if I keep my hair, I will be ok, but if I cut it, then when I get reborn, it will be the baddest and lowest 'yonis', phew, I better keep my hair then, thats me sold.All the sikh gurus respected the nature and were ‘keshadhari’ and so were their Sikhs. GURU GOBIND SINGHJI MADE THE ‘REHAT’ FROM GURU NANAK’S PRINCIPLES.
The 'bea-adabi of ‘keshas' is the 'ghor apmaan of our great gurus'. The punishment of such type of deed is written in gurbani as
'sant kea dukhan trigad jon kirmaye' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5<sup>th</sup> Guru Nanak, Ang 279 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
Sikh who cuts his hairs is called ‘patit sikh’. The 'patit sikh' even CAN NOT get birth as human being, but will get birth in the bad and lowest 'yonis'.
absolutely! let us all go whoring, drugging and drinking to our hearts content, let us abort female girls, let us make the lives of our daughters in laws a misery, let us have lavish and pointless weddings, let every Gurudwara in the land be a focus point for German engineered cars at their best, but do not cut your hair!So, it is fundamental rule for Sikhs not to cut their hairs.
Oh really? what does 'he' do when 'he' finds out? cessation of chocolate rations? 40 days of darkness? cats and dogs living together?
Excellent, so we follow the teachings of Guru Nanak, and attempt to emulate his look, not to further ourselves, or to attempt to carry on the good works of the Gurus, or to have found enlightenment or knowledge, but because we are scared. Is it perhaps an Islamic or Christian forum you were looking for?
yup seems clear to me, all roads end in hair, right?
Ok, so let me get this right, if I keep my hair, I will be ok, but if I cut it, then when I get reborn, it will be the baddest and lowest 'yonis', phew, I better keep my hair then, thats me sold.
absolutely! let us all go whoring, drugging and drinking to our hearts content, let us abort female girls, let us make the lives of our daughters in laws a misery, let us have lavish and pointless weddings, let every Gurudwara in the land be a focus point for German engineered cars at their best, but do not cut your hair!
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To clarify, I pity anyone who keeps their hair out of fear, this is not the essence and spirit of Sikhism that I understand, to keep hair is a wonderful thing, and I respect anyone who attempts to heighten their connection with uncut hair, When I read my Veerji Lucky's posts about his hair, and his absolute pleasure and joy in watching it grow, I feel a sense of pride, a sense of expectation, it is heart warming.
To meet someone with a full head of hair because of the fear of being reborn as a frog, does not incite the same feelings within me................
I wonder how such topics are discussed so long ..... about KES, our GuruJi ordered not to disrespect hair ... isn't tht enough for a SIKH ??
There are many who'll very foolishly argue on this but SIKH is a SIKH only if he respects Guru's orders...
When the Gurus taught (not ordered) there is no high and there is no low, rejoice in your beautiful hair, they were teaching (not ordering) that kes declares the equality of all humankind. When Guru Gobind Singh taught equality of all within the khalsa, he also taught (not ordered) that Sikhi is about brotherhood and sisterhood
There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.
Gurfateh !!
There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.
Gurfateh !!
There are many SIKHS who will consider Guru's teachings as ORDERS. Bhai Lehna Ji wud never have become Guru Angad Dev Ji had he questioned Guru Nanak Ji on being asked to eat a dead body. A Guru's Sikh wud always take Guru's Teachings as 'Hukums' .... thts wht I feel others may differ on this.
Gurfateh !!
this topic and conversation, only shows our shallow minds and shallower faith.the master is the head of this flock,and he has all the right to its identity.we may like it or not ,he has niether made any concessions for jioning it ,nor showed us the demons for other wise.yes ,one thing he made it clear[-sir thar tali, gali mori aao].rest of the stories are marketed by highly enlightened of our brethern,who wanted to market their own enter prises.let us all stand up to do the job that the master wants us to do rather than wasting our energies in measuring the ocean with glass in hand.The very mention of the word 'order' brings to mind possible consequences if the 'order' is not carried out, in this case, it may well have denied the second Master from being Bhai Lehna ji. You have posted this story on a thread about keeping hair, thus, I would conclude that keeping hair is therefore an order, similar to eating a Corpse.
The Sikhism that I understand actively discourages blind faith, and encourages understanding and enlightenment. If I may quote a story to support, as I know you like stories, when Guru Nanak refused to wear the Hindu thread, he must have realised he was setting a precedent in the very way of life he was advocating, ie, from that day on, how could he ever possibly encourage people to blindly follow without thinking first, and secondly, not to follow an order for the sake of following an order.
If this story is true, I can see another gem of wisdom that is more relevant than blindly doing what your told, just to get a gold star, and that would be that firstly, not everything appears to be what it is, the things that may seem repulsive, may in fact be gems of wisdom, or even food, but more importantly, the things that seem attractive, that draw you in, the offer you the promise of 'a good time', more often than not, are the corpse, the decaying rotting corpse, that offers a short term pleasure, but where the consequences of such, are huge, and permanent.
let us all stand up to do the job that the master wants us to do