Creator /God ਦਾਤਾ/ਰੱਬ In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Is Masculine Or Feminine And What Is The Significa

[Ambarsaria]

AMBARSARIA Ji,

From SANSKRIT words only I know that the word "Ong" is SINGULAR Femine Gender.
The word Ong is created from a letter "O" in Gurmukhi script and this letter is having a "BINDI" on top of it So it is written in Gurmukhi with two letters O and Ang as the word OAng or Ong.

I may suggest you that look at the grammar of the words IK and EK and also see the rule of grammar for connecting two Noun Words in Gurbani. I hope you may get some thing to decide about this.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for you answer.

Please specifically answer by marking what is wrong in the explanation given by Prof. Sahib Singh ji as we/you already established that God/Creator is genderless.

[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%B4"]ੴ

<> au~cwrn vyly ies dy iqMn ih`sy kIqy jWdy hn-1, E Aqy > ; ies dw pwT hY ‘iek EAMkwr’[ iqMn ih`sy v`Ko v`Kry au~cwirAW ieauN bxdy hn:-
1-ie`k[ E-EAM[ > -kwr[‘E’ sMsik®q dw Sbd hY[

eykMkwru-eyk EAMkwr, auh iek EAM jo iek-rs hY, jo hr QW ivAwpk hY[

so, "<>" dw au~cwrn hY " iek (eyk) EAMkwr" Aqy iesdw ArQ hY "iek Akwl purK, jo iek-rs ivAwpk hY"[

[/URL]Please be specific and mark the above or add so that we may understand.

The above has nothing to do with Ambarsaria, it is Prof. Sahib Singh ji's work.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for you answer.

Please specifically answer by marking what is wrong in the explanation given by Prof. Sahib Singh ji as we/you already established that God/Creator is genderless.

Please be specific and mark the above or add so that we may understand.

The above has nothing to do with Ambarsaria, it is Prof. Sahib Singh ji's work.

Sat Sri Akal.

AMBARSARIA ji ,
I am unable to decipher the letters in my Computor screen,You can mention the page no relared to Prof Sahib Singh jis writing.

In Gurbani the words (SINGULAR/PLURAL-FeminGen/Mascu Gend)
are for refrence for designating the quality characteristics of GuR JoTi as GuRu-GuR.

It is NAAMu as CREATOR which is always GENDERLESS.

We should carefully understand the difference in the grammar of SABADu and NAAMu.SABADu as GuRoo is GENDERLESS .

Other words as SABADu/SABAD are properly designated with gender and number class.

These are my observations from Gurbani for consideration only.
No Personal claim.Every thing subject to sharing of views.
Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[Ambarsaria]

AMBARSARIA ji ,
I am unable to decipher the letters in my Computor screen,You can mention the page no relared to Prof Sahib Singh jis writing.

In Gurbani the words (SINGULAR/PLURAL-FeminGen/Mascu Gend)
are for refrence for designating the quality characteristics of GuR JoTi as GuRu-GuR.

It is NAAMu as CREATOR which is always GENDERLESS.

We should carefully understand the difference in the grammar of SABADu and NAAMu.SABADu as GuRoo is GENDERLESS .

Other words as SABADu/SABAD are properly designated with gender and number class.

These are my observations from Gurbani for consideration only.
No Personal claim.Every thing subject to sharing of views.
Prakash.S.Bagga

Veer ji I work with the .pdf version and page number there is pages 33-34.

The PDF version can be downloaded from the following,

http://www.gurbanifiles.org/gurmukhi/index.htm

1-ie`k[ E-EAM[ > -kwr[
‘E’ sMsik®q dw Sbd hY[ Amr koS Anuswr ies dy iqMn ArQ hn:-

(1) vyd Awid Drm-pusqkW dy ArMB Aqy A^Ir ivc, Ardws jW iksy piv~qr Drm-kwrj dy ArMB ivc A`Kr 'EN' piv~qr A`Kr jwx ky vriqAw jWdw hY[​

(2) iksy hukm jW pRSn Awidk dy au~qr ivc Awdr Aqy siqkwr nwl ‘jI hW’ AwKxw[ so, ‘EN’ dw ArQ hY 'jI hW'[​

(3) EN-bRhm[​

iehnW ivcoN ikhVw ArQ ies Sbd dw ie`Qy ilAw jwxw hY-ies ƒ idRVH krn leI Sbd 'EN' dy pihlW '1' ilK id`qw hY[ ies dw Bwv ieh hY ik ie`Qy 'EN' dw ArQ hY 'auh hsqI jo iek hY, ijs vrgw hor koeI nhIN hY Aqy ijs ivc ieh swrw jgq smw jWdw hY['
qIjw ih`sw > hY, ijs dw au~cwrn hY 'kwr'[ 'kwr' sMsik®q dw iek ipCyqr hY[ Awm qOr qy ieh ipCyqr 'nWv' dy A^Ir ivc vriqAw jWdw hY[ ies dw ArQ hY 'iek-rs, ijs ivc qbdIlI nw Awvy['
ies 'ipCyqr' dy lwx nwl 'nWv' dy ilMg ivc koeI &rk nhIN pYNdw; Bwv, jy 'nWv' pihlW puilMg hY, qW ies 'ipCyqr' dy lgwieAW BI puilMg hI rihMdw hY, jy pihlW iesqRI ilMg hovy qW ies ipCyqr dy smyq BI iesqRI ilMg hI rihMdw hY; ijvyN, puilMg:-
nµnwkwru n koie kryeI [
rwKY Awip vifAweI dyeI [2[2[ (gauVI m: 1
kImiq so pwvY Awip jwxwvY
Awip ABulu n Buley [
jY jYkwru krih quDu Bwvih
gur kY sbid Amuley [9[2[5[ (sUhI m: 1
shjy ruxJuxkwru suhwieAw [
qw kY Gir pwrbRhmu smwieAw [7[3[ (gauVI m: 5
iesqRI ilMg:-
dieAw DwrI iqin Dwrxhwr [
bMDn qy hoeI Cutkwr [7[4[ (rwmklI m: 5
myG smY mor inriqkwr [
cMdu dyiK ibgsih kaulwr [4[2[ (bsMq m: 5
dyiK rUpu Aiq AnUpu moh mhw mg BeI [
ikMknI sbd Jnqkwr Kylu pwih jIau [1[6[(sveIey mhly cauQy ky
ies ipCyqr dy l`gx nwl iehnW SbdW dy ArQ ieauN krny hn:-
nµnwkwru— iek-rs ienkwr, sdw leI ienkwr[
jYkwru— lgwqwr 'jY jY' dI gUMj[
inriqkwr— iek rs nwc[
Jnqkwr— iek-rs sohxI Awvwz[
ipCyqr 'kwr' dy lwx qoN ibnw Aqy lgwx nwl, dohW qrHW dy SbdW dy ArQW ivc &rk hT ilKy pRmwx qoN sp`St ho jWdw hY:-
"Gr mih Gru idKwie dyie, so siqguru purKu sujwxu[
pMc sbid Duinkwr Duin, qh bwjY sbdu nIswxu [1[27[
Duin-Awvwz[ Duinkwr-lgwqwr nwd, Aqu`t Awvwz[ iesy qrHW:
mnu BUlo isir AwvY Bwru[
mnu mwnY hir eykMkwr [2[2[(gauVI m: 1
eykMkwru-eyk EAMkwr, auh iek EAM jo iek-rs hY, jo hr QW ivAwpk hY[
so, "<>" dw au~cwrn hY " iek (eyk) EAMkwr" Aqy iesdw ArQ hY "iek Akwl purK, jo iek-rs ivAwpk hY"[


I have posted essentially the same information in the following thread if it is readable perhaps,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html#post154763

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Veer ji I work with the .pdf version and page number there is pages 33-34.

The PDF version can be downloaded from the following,

http://www.gurbanifiles.org/gurmukhi/index.htm

1-ie`k[ E-EAM[ > -kwr[
‘E’ sMsik®q dw Sbd hY[ Amr koS Anuswr ies dy iqMn ArQ hn:-

(1) vyd Awid Drm-pusqkW dy ArMB Aqy A^Ir ivc, Ardws jW iksy piv~qr Drm-kwrj dy ArMB ivc A`Kr 'EN' piv~qr A`Kr jwx ky vriqAw jWdw hY[​

(2) iksy hukm jW pRSn Awidk dy au~qr ivc Awdr Aqy siqkwr nwl ‘jI hW’ AwKxw[ so, ‘EN’ dw ArQ hY 'jI hW'[​

(3) EN-bRhm[​

iehnW ivcoN ikhVw ArQ ies Sbd dw ie`Qy ilAw jwxw hY-ies ƒ idRVH krn leI Sbd 'EN' dy pihlW '1' ilK id`qw hY[ ies dw Bwv ieh hY ik ie`Qy 'EN' dw ArQ hY 'auh hsqI jo iek hY, ijs vrgw hor koeI nhIN hY Aqy ijs ivc ieh swrw jgq smw jWdw hY['
qIjw ih`sw > hY, ijs dw au~cwrn hY 'kwr'[ 'kwr' sMsik®q dw iek ipCyqr hY[ Awm qOr qy ieh ipCyqr 'nWv' dy A^Ir ivc vriqAw jWdw hY[ ies dw ArQ hY 'iek-rs, ijs ivc qbdIlI nw Awvy['
ies 'ipCyqr' dy lwx nwl 'nWv' dy ilMg ivc koeI &rk nhIN pYNdw; Bwv, jy 'nWv' pihlW puilMg hY, qW ies 'ipCyqr' dy lgwieAW BI puilMg hI rihMdw hY, jy pihlW iesqRI ilMg hovy qW ies ipCyqr dy smyq BI iesqRI ilMg hI rihMdw hY; ijvyN, puilMg:-
nµnwkwru n koie kryeI [
rwKY Awip vifAweI dyeI [2[2[ (gauVI m: 1
kImiq so pwvY Awip jwxwvY
Awip ABulu n Buley [
jY jYkwru krih quDu Bwvih
gur kY sbid Amuley [9[2[5[ (sUhI m: 1
shjy ruxJuxkwru suhwieAw [
qw kY Gir pwrbRhmu smwieAw [7[3[ (gauVI m: 5
iesqRI ilMg:-
dieAw DwrI iqin Dwrxhwr [
bMDn qy hoeI Cutkwr [7[4[ (rwmklI m: 5
myG smY mor inriqkwr [
cMdu dyiK ibgsih kaulwr [4[2[ (bsMq m: 5
dyiK rUpu Aiq AnUpu moh mhw mg BeI [
ikMknI sbd Jnqkwr Kylu pwih jIau [1[6[(sveIey mhly cauQy ky
ies ipCyqr dy l`gx nwl iehnW SbdW dy ArQ ieauN krny hn:-
nµnwkwru— iek-rs ienkwr, sdw leI ienkwr[
jYkwru— lgwqwr 'jY jY' dI gUMj[
inriqkwr— iek rs nwc[
Jnqkwr— iek-rs sohxI Awvwz[
ipCyqr 'kwr' dy lwx qoN ibnw Aqy lgwx nwl, dohW qrHW dy SbdW dy ArQW ivc &rk hT ilKy pRmwx qoN sp`St ho jWdw hY:-
"Gr mih Gru idKwie dyie, so siqguru purKu sujwxu[
pMc sbid Duinkwr Duin, qh bwjY sbdu nIswxu [1[27[
Duin-Awvwz[ Duinkwr-lgwqwr nwd, Aqu`t Awvwz[ iesy qrHW:
mnu BUlo isir AwvY Bwru[
mnu mwnY hir eykMkwr [2[2[(gauVI m: 1
eykMkwru-eyk EAMkwr, auh iek EAM jo iek-rs hY, jo hr QW ivAwpk hY[
so, "<>" dw au~cwrn hY " iek (eyk) EAMkwr" Aqy iesdw ArQ hY "iek Akwl purK, jo iek-rs ivAwpk hY"[


I have posted essentially the same information in the following thread if it is readable perhaps,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html#post154763

Sat Sri Akal.

AMBARSARIA Ji,
Since I was going thru the link .My answer to this is posted in the thread
Review Ik onkaar.
Prakash.S.Bagga