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Creator /God ਦਾਤਾ/ਰੱਬ In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Is Masculine Or Feminine And What Is The Significa

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Prakash.s.bagga ji the above is just my opinion as yours is to accept and mine is to reject. No hard feelings or dis-respect at all just that it does not make sense to me. Of course Ekankaar as appropriate is used as well as derivatives of Kaar. Why was not used everywhere is equally important versus Ekankaar.
I accept Prof. Sahib Singh ji's discourse as complete and specific and I so respectfully accept his explanation for
. I personally do not accept all blindly but with due consideration and sounding of my heart and mind.

You have not shared why you were convinced by a person in Canada to believe in Ekankaar perhaps it may be helpful in this dialog if you wish to share.

Sat Sri Akal.

AMBARSARIA Ji,
When did I write that I was ever convined by a person from Canada to beleive in EKANKAAR.I simply refered to a simple mistake I was committing.
Here again your own assumption.
I think only SGGS can make anyone to believe in EKANKAAR not any person.
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AMBARSARIA Ji,
When did I write that I was ever convined by a person from Canada to beleive in EKANKAAR.I simply refered to a simple mistake I was committing.
Sorry Prakash.s.bagga veer ji I took the following to mean that the person would have explained why Ekankaar was right based on your following statement versus what you were understanding of before,

Once a Gursikh from Canada pointed out a common mistake I have been making I immediately realised the fact and changed my views since then.
I simply read it differently perhaps not what you meant in this.

I am simply trying to learn and am as interested in learning about EKANKAAR as I am about Ik oankaar.

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Two discourses on ੴ and ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ by Prof. Sahib Singh ji,

1. "ੴ" ਦਾ ਉੱਚਾਰਨ ਹੈ " ਇਕ (ਏਕ) ਓਅੰਕਾਰ" ਅਤੇ ਇਸਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ "ਇਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ, ਜੋ ਇਕ-ਰਸ ਵਿਆਪਕ ਹੈ"

2. ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ = ਇਕ ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ

I hope this helps as there is quite a distinction and distinctive application and one is not the same as other or can be used one for the other.

If it helps in the discourse.

Sat Sri Akal.
 
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AMBARSARIA Ji,
I am sure by the grace of SatiGuRu ji you will get to know what you may be looking for.
I strongly believe only Sati GuRu can gude anyone for his complete understanding.
We can only share that together for our own and also for others benifits.
Prakash.S.Bagga
 

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Sat Sri Akaal

I am in total agreement with Ambarsaria Ji that pronunciation while reciting is important once we have the concept of one creator and the states.

Say word Ik IIIK Ikkk although we are reciting Ik but the length of pronunciation
produce different feeling as

Ke questioned
Keeee exclaimed / challanged opinion

Ik is resolved, Kar or Kaar is resolved

O M or O U M, O A N , O A N G is not resolved

Pronunciation as objective, while recitation is important.

To my opinion

Sound is vibration, electrons are always in motion in an atom, and there is sound in
basic form.

And it relates to sound of atom.

One is unable to hear as the higher frequency sound interference.
In total silence, one may hear this sound.

Just like if loudspeakers are on one can not listen to near by person
So outside higher ferquency causes interference

If we recite the syllable in correct form, it has resonating effect in our body system

Resonance as explaines as referred from wikipedia

resonance is the tendency of a system to oscillate at a greater amplitude at some frequencies than at others. These are known as the system's resonant frequencies (or resonance frequencies). At these frequencies, even small periodic driving forces can produce large amplitude oscillations, because the system stores vibrational energy. Resonance occurs when a system is able to store and easily transfer energy between two or more different storage modes (such as kinetic energy and potential energy in the case of a pendulum). However, there are some losses from cycle to cycle, called damping. When damping is small, the resonant frequency is approximately equal to the natural frequency of the system, which is a frequency of unforced vibrations. Some systems have multiple, distinct, resonant frequencies.
Resonance phenomena occur with all types of vibrations or waves: there is mechanical resonance, acoustic resonance, electromagnetic resonance, nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), electron spin resonance (ESR) and resonance of quantum wave functions. Resonant systems can be used to generate vibrations at a specific frequency (e.g. musical instruments), or pick out specific frequencies from a complex vibration containing many frequencies (e.g. filters).

So pronunciation and correct recitation is very very important.

Once each word is realised as a subject and objecive of usage, the sense is different.


90% of Religious Pray Performers while attending religious cermony say

Jo Prabh Ko MILBOCH Hain, khoj shabad mein lay

Jo Prabh Ko Milbo Chahain, Khoj Sahbad Mein Lay

Right Spell makes difference

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
 
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Two discourses on ੴ and ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ by Prof. Sahib Singh ji,

1. "ੴ" ਦਾ ਉੱਚਾਰਨ ਹੈ " ਇਕ (ਏਕ) ਓਅੰਕਾਰ" ਅਤੇ ਇਸਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ "ਇਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ, ਜੋ ਇਕ-ਰਸ ਵਿਆਪਕ ਹੈ"

2. ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ = ਇਕ ਵਿਆਪਕ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ

I hope this helps as there is quite a distinction and distinctive application and one is not the same as other or can be used one for the other.

If it helps in the discourse.

Sat Sri Akal.

AMBARSARIA Ji,
You can find that in Vol 3 page no610 Teeka by Prof Sahib Singh ji,
Here Pfof Sahib Singh ji is telling clearly that the word EKANKAAR too is Pronunciation for the SYMBOL which appears in SGGS .
So according to above there should be no distiction and distinctive application as both are same.
Now you can see for yourself what should right.
Prakash.S.Bagga
 
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Sat Sri Akaal

Ik is resolved, Kar or Kaar is resolved

O M or O U M, O A N , O A N G is not resolved

FALSE
ravneet_sb ji there is no dispute about individual parts and how they sound.

" ਇਕ (ਏਕ) ਓਅੰ ਕਾਰ"
The question simply is what association exists and if it is to be sounded as one word. I see absolutely no justification to combine two words (one Punjabi number and a Sanskrit word and make it into some new word).

Please let us discuss it in the following thread if needed,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html

We are spending to much time out of focus to the subject of the thread.

Sat Sri Akal.
 
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Sat Sri Akaal,

It is separate but in union. Energy and Mass in an atom


It is represented as yollk and albumen of egg though separate but contained in same shell in later

One may reject or accept though.

Waheguru Ji Ki Khalsa
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Sat Sri Akaal,

It is separate but in union. Energy and Mass in an atom


It is represented as yollk and albumen of egg though separate but contained in same shell in later

One may reject or accept though.

Waheguru Ji Ki Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

RAVNEET sb ji,
Mass and Energy are in union in an atom but they are convertible.In a non active state of Mass the Energy is in a STATE ofPOTENTIAL .When the same Mass gets activated the Energy is in a STATE of KINETIC.
Thus it is important to understand the process of ACTIVATION and the States of Energy.
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Dear SPN Ji,

Thanks for valuable tip

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
 
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At last we can see that CREATOR or RABB in Gurbani is neither Masculine nor Feminine .
Even the Singular Noun words refer to the the COLLECTIVE NOUN of CREATOR or RABB
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At last we can see that CREATOR or RABB in Gurbani is neither Masculine nor Feminine .
Even the Singular Noun words refer to the the COLLECTIVE NOUN of CREATOR or RABB
Prakash.S.Bagga.
Prakash.s.bagga veer ji that answers my question in this thread. I had the same conclusion but I wanted comments and vetting from some of the contributors I respect. You are right there with Gyani Jarnail Singh ji, spnadmin ji, Tejwant Singh ji in terms of Gurbani Vichhar.
If I may so summarize: The creator's Gender is of no consequence as it may appear in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji other than for helping us understand in simple human terms the interactions scenarios with the creator, creator's virtues and thus leading to one creator's understanding throughout our lives.

Sat Sri Akal.
 
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SAT SRI AKAAL,

One may interact/comment/accept or reject the thought

Ik represents the cosmic energy

O represents the higher state gas state in which the action exist but particle ause of action can not be defined "O Kar" O Kar

A represents the higher state in which the action exist but particle ause of action can not be defined "A kar" A Kar

represents the higher state in which the action exist but particle cause of action can not be defined "M kar" Main Kar


But understanding the forth state event the matter
what we realise is the form of energy

So there are four state in which one can realise different form of energy.
hared the

My sincere thanks to allmighty and all Aman Singh Ji, Ambarsaria Ji, BhagatSingh Ji, charanjyot Ji, harry haller Ji, japjisahib04 Ji, jasbirkaleka Ji, Kanwaljit Singh Ji, Kaur 1968 Ji, prakash.s.bagga Ji, Randeep Kaur Ji, http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/37654-creator-god-sggs-masculine-feminine-what-10.html# sandeep17oct JI, Scarlet Pimpernel Ji, Searching Ji, Taranjeet singh Ji, Tejwant Singh JI who have interacted and shared the divine knowledge on the topic.


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SAT SRI AKAAL,

One may interact/comment/accept or reject the thought

Ik represents the cosmic energy

O represents the higher state gas state in which the action exist but particle ause of action can not be defined "O Kar" O Kar

A represents the higher state in which the action exist but particle ause of action can not be defined "A kar" A Kar

represents the higher state in which the action exist but particle cause of action can not be defined "M kar" Main Kar


But understanding the forth state event the matter
what we realise is the form of energy

So there are four state in which one can realise different form of energy.
hared the

My sincere thanks to allmighty and all Aman Singh Ji, Ambarsaria Ji, BhagatSingh Ji, charanjyot Ji, harry haller Ji, japjisahib04 Ji, jasbirkaleka Ji, Kanwaljit Singh Ji, Kaur 1968 Ji, prakash.s.bagga Ji, Randeep Kaur Ji, sandeep17oct JI, Scarlet Pimpernel Ji, Searching Ji, Taranjeet singh Ji, Tejwant Singh JI who have interacted and shared the divine knowledge on the topic.


Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
ravneet_sb ji I have no clue what you are talking about and how such is related to SGGS or Gurmat Vichhar. May be I am missing something. Creating confusion is another way of making things in-effective. So I don't understand what you mean and 3/4s in most of your posts are ramblings past one or two sentences/words/tuks of Gurbani.

I highly suggest a thread in another section (say Interfaith, Science or Leisure) and I can also write or contribute towards such wandering thoughts, etc.

Sorry no offense but please help/comment as per the thread topic as much as you can.

Sat Sri Akal.
 

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I think Ravneetji and Prakashji are bursting so much with energy it is hard/frustrating for them to get the message they are trying to, across................

Actually I would pay good money to see them debate against each other! lol
 
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HARRY HALLAR ji,
I am not surprised at the offer for your money.Many many thanks for your offer.

Prakash.S.Bagga
 

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HARRY HALLAR ji,
I am not surprised at the offer for your money.Many many thanks for your offer.

Prakash.S.Bagga
Little off topic but Prakash.s.bagga ji isn't it funny who have Maya (or at least one part of it, Money) are studying to get rid of it, your good self. Those who don't have Maya (money like me not working right now) need it mundahug

Let us see if the one's trying to get rid of it meet up with the ones who want/need it (me). Rest is talk lol. This is straight Jatt logic. mundahug

Let me tell you a little snippet as below,

I was going to Guru Nanak Engineering College, Ludhiana way back before I went to UK. Me and one of my friends used to go occasionally to Ludhiana downtown, see scenery, have Jalebis and milk, etc. In younger age many are Socialist oriented. So this friend was like that. We were in a Rickshaw and he started talking about it. I put it clearly to him as,

Listen the rickshaw puller looks like an older man. You are strong. Why don't we stop the rickshaw and you seat him and start pulling. Not only that let us instead of drinking milk and eating jalebis (yummy hot) give him the money in exchange.

Never did he talk again about how poor need to be looked after or the way poor are treated by the rich.

By the way neither of us were very rich but we could afford more than average. He continued to be a good friend.
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AMBARSARIA ji,
I didi not mind his offer for money .In fact I felt elated to know there is someone so close to vlalue me .May be out of affection but it is a sense of pleasure .Nothing beyond this.
I judge Harry Hallar ji a person of matured views.

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AMBARSARIA ji,
I didi not mind his offer for money .In fact I felt elated to know there is someone so close to vlalue me .May be out of affection but it is a sense of pleasure .Nothing beyond this.
I judge Harry Hallar ji a person of matured views.

Prakash.S.Bagga
Prakash.s.bagga ji I value you just as much but no money as I know you once told me you are blessed that way.

I have always been happy to see success. I have been very very Happy to specially see Sikhs with worldly success all around the world. People have what they have and I never have a tinge of jealousy. Each is blessed in their own ways and that is creation.

Sat Sri Akal.
 

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Ambersariaji,

Everything is relative, some men of huge wealth feel poor next to a man who owns his own jet, whereas I personally feel rich if the animals are fed, and there is a full tank of petrol in the car, I think if being rich was a motivating factor for any of us, we would be rich, but as it happens, we prefer to use our energies for the riches that cannot be seen.

I will now leave the four yorkshire men joke to SPji, who I am sure will enjoy telling it to all those that are unaware of it
 
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