why do you have to hide behind so many different aliases?
why can't i learn about my faith in my mother tongue? why must i read everything in punjabi? do you think Guru Nanak Dev ji tried to speak in punjabi to the arabs in Mecca? or in Tibet? or do you believe in sakhis?
you speak english very well, you obviously feel you're very intelligent and have great understanding of gurbani. why can't you explain it to those of us with lesser intellect and understanding? wait, let me guess, you don't have time.
i have tried to address each of your points that i felt comfortable addressing. i don't usually answer questions i do not know the answer to. i think that is fair.
so if you'd like to teach us poor stupid western sikhs anything, please attempt to do so using english. or if you want to be a punjabi elitist snob, write us off as unable to understand.
btw, are you the same person who said that western sikhs are incapable of understanding gurbani? i can't remember.
they're not similar posts, they're identical. even to the point of refusing to explain because you "don't have time to explain" or "you can't understand punjabi so there's no point".
you need multiple IDs because you're trying to make it look like other sikhs agree with you, when you're clearly in a tiny minority.
fateh!
quick question for khalsa fauj/akali...
which gurdwara do you attend which goes directly against akal takht and teaches this heresy? i'd like to be sure to stay away from it.
First of all i would like to say i am born in canada and english is my first language i learned in school. On the side i was grown up speaking punjabi in my family. I was not taught in school how to read and write or speak punjabi. Rather i took the intiative to read write and speak punjabi because the fact sahib shri guru granth sahib is written in gurmukhi script. My guru gave me gur shabad in roop of gurmukhi and it is my duty to take the duty of learning the "tounge" of my guru.
For you to accuse me of saying western sikhs are not capable of understanding gurbani is absurd as i am a western sikh myself.
The questions I am going to pose for you are going to be pointless to post because you are just going to ignore them. So what is the point? I do not think i am intelligent or anything like that but how much intelligence does it take to figure out guru gobind singhs character is being tarnisherd by this so called "dasam granth".
If you have pyaar in your heart for your guru then you will stand up against those who call this bani of guru sahib.
Shereb ji, if you do not know one word of punjabi i strongly suggest you start learning... this means no offence or anything. As jasleen keeps refering to akal takht maryada please refer to that for what is akal takht maryada is saying regarding learning gurmukhi.
You can say you don't know anything know but ask yourself how much intitive you have taken to learn gurmukhi and if yes then good and if not set goals for yourself.
Jasleen if you want translations pleask ask. There are a bunch already on the internet i can give you links too. in english
fateh
First of all i would like to say i am born in canada and english is my first language i learned in school. On the side i was grown up speaking punjabi in my family. I was not taught in school how to read and write or speak punjabi. Rather i took the intiative to read write and speak punjabi because the fact sahib shri guru granth sahib is written in gurmukhi script. My guru gave me gur shabad in roop of gurmukhi and it is my duty to take the duty of learning the "tounge" of my guru.
For you to accuse me of saying western sikhs are not capable of understanding gurbani is absurd as i am a western sikh myself.
The questions I am going to pose for you are going to be pointless to post because you are just going to ignore them. So what is the point? I do not think i am intelligent or anything like that but how much intelligence does it take to figure out guru gobind singhs character is being tarnisherd by this so called "dasam granth".
If you have pyaar in your heart for your guru then you will stand up against those who call this bani of guru sahib.
Shereb ji, if you do not know one word of punjabi i strongly suggest you start learning... this means no offence or anything. As jasleen keeps refering to akal takht maryada please refer to that for what is akal takht maryada is saying regarding learning gurmukhi.
You can say you don't know anything know but ask yourself how much intitive you have taken to learn gurmukhi and if yes then good and if not set goals for yourself.
Jasleen if you want translations pleask ask. There are a bunch already on the internet i can give you links too. in english
fateh
you grew up learning punjabi. i did not have that oppurtunity. i'm learning, but no, i cannot read it well. and it doesn't matter in regards to dasam granth because none of it is in punjabi anyway, it's mostly in persian and braj and sanskrit, none of which i speak.
i've asked several times for translations. you ridiculed me for not knowing punjabi and said "i don't have time".
so i'll ask yet again. where are these translations? go back through the posts, when i asked you to translate before, and you made fun of me, can you translate that now?
thanks.
Waheguru. Why is he being labeled Khalsa Fauj? Like that is jusy dumb. I am not International Akali, he is. I am the Khalsa Fauj. What a scene this is.
Gurudwara name is Dixie in Toronto. There are lots of anti-dasam granth Sikhs in Toronto. Thanks to awakening which Waheguru has caused through parchar and hard work.
We don't have control over Dixie Gurudwara but we hold meetings and stuff in rooms there as it is the biggest Gurudwara in North America I think.
International Akali comes there to learn Gurmat. International Akali's name is Randeep Singh while my name is Harmanjit Singh. If someone still has doubts and wants proof, msn is the best friend. We are not the same people. Why does everyone who oppose dasam granth get labeled "khalsa fauj"? Come on guys. Wake up, realize the facts. There are 13 organizations presently in Punjab which are against Dasam Granth. Biggest ones are Dasam Granth Vichar Manch International and Gurmat Missionary College Delhi.
Reason why International Akali has little time is because he goes to University and I don't have much time because I am working on some projects and go to work. Two days off aren't much. I was off today and just came back from playing hockey.
I only use 1 identity on each website and it is always The Khalsa Fauj. There is no shame but greatness in admitting truth that dasam granth is anti-Gurmat.
i don't label everyone who opposes dasam granth as "khalsa fauj" (yes, i put it in quotes, because you guys want to destroy the khalsa as we know it, how can you be khalsa fauj if you don't even believe in the amrit banis???) i only lable "akali" international as being you because you guys type exactly the same words, the same responses, the same brush offs when you don't want to answer a question... it's just a big coincidence.
though perhaps it's simply a result of both of you being brainwashed by the same heretics.
i guess that's also possible.
We are only brainwashed by Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Is that a bad thing? If yes, please tell me how.
Jasleen Kaur ji,i was referring to the heretic kala afghana.
i try to stay away from tankhaiya myself.
i talked to some friends from Dixie Gurdwara... they told me all about your "group" (all 5-10 of you :rofl!!
Jasleen Kaur ji,
Have you ever been to Waco, Texas?
My dad was born there in the 50-60s.
Had to ask.
Singh Sabha International Canada - Articles
one article please read some translations. I don't associate myself with any kind of group but only group of guru.
Guru granth sahib ji is supreme, i am sorry if i am trying to be a sikh of guru granth sahib. Is this what you want me to say?
Lets not get personal and stay on topic.
Fateh
thank you, it's an entertain read, but i'm not interested in propaganda. singh sabha international canada is a known anti-dasam granth propaganda machine run by the heretic Ghagga.
lest there be any confusion (and i'm sure the name is intended to bring about confusion) it is not affiliated with the better known Singh Sabha movement in India or with the Singh Sabha gurdwaras in the US. Ghagga's "singh sabha" has been denounced and ghagga and kala afghana are banned from the premises of most US and Canadian Gurdwaras. not to mention the fact that they are too cowardly to even enter India, even after being summoned by akal takht.
check the websites they link to:
kala afghana
fateh publications (Ghagga's site)
spokesman (publisher of this magazine is excommunicated from the panth, another kala afghana supporter)
the sikh buletin (reading the editorial on the first page shows that they're clearly in the kala afghana/ghagga camp)
though i do thank you for the link. the articles are fascinating, if a bit shocking. i didn't realize you guys are also against Giani Sant Maskeen ji, Harbajan Singh Yogi, Bhai Randir Singh ji, 3HO, AKJ, and Nanaksar. i never realized that using a mala to aid in recitation of mantras/banis/naam simran was "idol worship" before i read this site. it was interesting to learn that Guru Nanak Dev ji never entered the river Beas.
i'm still going through the articles to see what other fascinating propaganda they're distributing.
fateh!
Jasleen kaur,
How can you find such writings such as dasam granth as entertaining? Those articles dont give you any sort of hurt when you read that this is in the name of guru gobind singh. Why are you talking about political stuff we are talking about dasam granth here the topic is not Prof. Inder Singh Ghaagga and not Gurbuksh Singh Kala Afghana. Its not like you have ever read eithers works so how can you even be constructive in there writings.
it's not dasam granth that's so entertaining, it's the way the article are written. they sound like brainwashed babbling.
Follow only Guru granth sahib ji and not some so called sants. Please refer to guru granth sahib ji:
i do, thanks.
Please refer to gurshabad for the following for the views of guru sahib on mala.
Matai Tilak Haat Mala bana
Logan Raam Khilona Jana
Page 1148
Translation:
You have tilak on your head, your holding a mala in your hand.
People have considred your raam as a game.
so because guru criticizes a hypocritical brahman and mentions the word mala, then no sikh should ever use one?
can you post the complete shabad? i can't seem to find it on the page you mentioned.
i can find a shabad to prove or disprove anything. read the WHOLE shabad for meaning, not just one line. understand the context, the history, don't base your religion on a line here and a line there.
you guys take everything so literally. next thing you know you'll be trying to erase the word raam and bhagat bani from SGGS for being "pro hindu".
Jatinder singh ji
I totally agree with you.I am not a full dasam granth supporter but still i am against putting gun on the heads of pro dasam granth people.There is no way one side can convince other about their views
the funny thing is... i haven't done enough personal research and study to say whether i believe the WHOLE thing is bani of the 10th master. though i respect the opinions of the historians and scholars who have...
but i cannot sit here while people insult amrit banis, Guru Gobind Singh ji, Akal Takht, and Amrit Sanchar itself. so i guess i'll learn more and more in order to show that this kala afghana cult is simply wrong.
ok guys, it's been educational, but i guess it's probably a pointless discussion to have with kala afghana follwers, so i think i'll stop discussing dasam granth and concentrate on improving my life.
(bowing out gracefully)