Gurfateh
Dear Vijaydeep
Ego and Self is in everyone. However it is our self restraint and self choice that lead us to action or inaction. (one reaps what one sows)
e.g. who decides if you will do naam simran at amrit vela this morning..?
Whatever the Datar gives me I accept willingly as His Will.
Being Veggie or being Khalsa is not a symbol as you put it. It is a that way of life. One cannot achieve salvation just by being veggie (I believe the Guru said this) and one who is non-veg is not automatically condemned. Without Naam we are nothing. However, being Khalsa means being veggie – so it is part of that way of life.
You go into the technicalities of Halal sacrifice and its absurdity. Any form of unnecessary killing or eating what is produced and at the same time taking Gods name is therefore an absurdity. If Halal is animal flesh banned to Sikhs then a Sikh by his nature and by his actions automatically bans themselves from any kind of flesh.
p.s. what is the discussion of reproduction about..? That is a scientific fact of nature that I am not going to dispute. What has that got to do with daya..?
Respected sir,
Das will further try to elaborate.
Ego and self is everwhere is Akal wants it to happen and if Akal wants that is not anywhere.Akal only controls our sleep and time of waking up.When we say self chosie and self restarint that itself is endrosing of ego.as our Breaths are not ours.Akal is owner and controller of all.what thoughts are in your minds are not your but Akal let them come in there.Reply Das makes is not of das but Akal owns all.
Datar is in you and self content which yourself has put is created in us not due to our acts by by mercy akal does on us.
Then coming to Term Khalsa,Das finds it in Dasham Granth in Lakhi Jungle episode while Jagat Jot Jape nis Bassur has term Khalsa.Rest agaon it comes alot in Sarbloh Granth.As per Sant Singh Ji Maskeen,it is state of Sant.
Khalsa means who is purly one with Akal.Self mind does not exists.Rathr mind part of sprit is killed and only soul reamins in body and that is soul is Akal only.That Akal is not veggi,In form of lion that kills dear,in form of Muslim it may eat Halal.So as on way to Khalsa,when all is Akal is known then there should not be any reason that we find diffreance between existance of Akal in vegitalbes and Animals.Akal is as much in Vegitables as Akal is in Animals.
Halal is oppsed only for not seing Akal in all.Then say if this logic apply that due to Halal being Banned to Sikh make all fleshh tabbo for Sikh,then Sikhs should not marry also.As Adultray is a type of sex not allowed to us but that does not means that sex in marrided life is not allowed.Gurus never said that Halal eater will not be salvaged else Baba Farid and Bhagat Bhikhan Ji were Muslims,So was Peer Bhikhan Shah and Peer Budhu Shah.
trouble with Halal is even more to be seen due to three things being told there.Allah,Blood and Flesh,while Blood and Flesh are composed of Allah.Even in Holy Kuran Mohtaj(helpless) can eat pig,blood and animal killed without name of Allah being called.and Holy Kuran says that we are are helpless in front of Allah.so it is allowed.Then food does not effect for good doers.This also is there in Holy Kuran.
Then regarding reporduction part.Das though that there was some dispute about plants being non living.Even lants may have soul and they have life.so they do sex also and reporduce like that.We are not one to do Daya.Rather we recive Daya.We are not capable to breath even without daya/mercy of Akal .How can we be Daya wan?
Ang 4
ਤੀਰਥੁ ਤਪੁ ਦਇਆ ਦਤੁ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
तीरथु तपु दइआ दतु दानु ॥
tirath tap da-i-aa dat daan.
Pilgrimages, austere discipline, compassion and charity -
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਤਿਲ ਕਾ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
जे को पावै तिल का मानु ॥
jay ko paavai til kaa maan.
these, by themselves, bring only an iota of merit.
ਸੁਣਿਆ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਕੀਤਾ ਭਾਉ ॥
सुणिआ मंनिआ मनि कीता भाउ ॥
suni-aa mani-aa man keetaa bhaa-o.
Listening and believing with love and humility in your mind,
ਅੰਤਰਗਤਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਮਲਿ ਨਾਉ ॥
अंतरगति तीरथि मलि नाउ ॥
antargat tirath mal naa-o.
cleanse yourself with the Name, at the sacred shrine deep within.
ਸਭਿ ਗੁਣ ਤੇਰੇ ਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
सभि गुण तेरे मै नाही कोइ ॥
sabh gun tayray mai naahee ko-ay.
All virtues are Yours, Lord, I have none at all.
ਵਿਣੁ ਗੁਣ ਕੀਤੇ ਭਗਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
विणु गुण कीते भगति न होइ ॥
vin gun keetay bhagat na ho-ay.
Without virtue, there is no devotional worship.
Further at Ang 1
ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
हुकमै अंदरि सभु को बाहरि हुकम न कोइ ॥
hukmai andar sabh ko baahar hukam na ko-ay.
Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.
ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੈ ਜੇ ਬੁਝੈ ਤ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥
नानक हुकमै जे बुझै त हउमै कहै न कोइ ॥२॥
naanak hukmai jay bujhai ta ha-umai kahai na ko-ay. ||2||
O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2||
Akal Bless.
