Hinduism Gayatri Mantra

[ravneet_sb]

Sat Sri Akaal,

Sikhism is advanced form of religious ways, it is straight and to the point,
it contains all previous scripts, and the right ways of practice.

It is not the mantra, or text, which has problem,
it was poor practise of acquired learning which brings disgrace.

"GURU's BANI" gives us the way of practice,

self learning, self awareness through learning, and self cleansing,
not falling prey to other human tendencies.

Practioner's bring grace or disgrace to "GURU's" in all forms of religion.


This is straight.

No boasting of religion, as it's not way of "GURU's BANI's".

As practices are wrong in this way also. Though it is not "GURU's BANI's" way.

Just my opinion.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

[Ambarsaria]

raneet_sb ji you make much less sense as soon as you start talking specifics. I know why you want to just dance around in the fear of making a mistake so you will just accumulate mistake. Let us review some of your post,

Sat Sri Akaal, Sikhism is advanced form of religious ways, it is straight and to the point, it contains all previous scripts, and the right ways of practice.

You are no judge to say it includes all previous scripts. Ask a Muslim, ask a Hindu, ask a Buddhists, ask a christian. From posts over time from any adherent of these the line usually is Sikhism is not them but it stole some of our parts. How can you transcribe into "it contains all previous scripts". Utter nonsense and disrespect to our Guru ji as they never state such in SGGS.

It is not the mantra, or text, which has problem, it was poor practise of acquired learning which brings disgrace.

You show little learning of SGGS ji so how can you blame others of other religions. When certain religions claim in their scriptures or holy books to be chosen people, selected son's and daughters of God, and so on. The blame is not with the practitioners.

"GURU's BANI" gives us the way of practice,

Gurbani is not a mental Gym for practice. It helps one grow to live a practical life with full awareness of ever increasing understanding of creator and creation.

self learning, self awareness through learning, and self cleansing,not falling prey to other human tendencies.

SGGS does not put you through a rinse cycle. These are other religion concepts being brought into Sikhism through the onslaught of interests who dislike Sikhism. Many have been so tainted that they don't even know where they belong and add nefarious stuff as Sikhism.

Practioner's bring grace or disgrace to "GURU's" in all forms of religion.

You are being very disrespectful to Sikhism when you claim or pretend Sikhism to be a potion combined by our Guru ji by using extracts of other religions. This is a slippery slope that enemies of Sikhism want as many Sikhs to embrace as possible.

Look forward to your comments. No need to be polite say what your mind thinks. We need to be truthful and to the point.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[ravneet_sb]

Sat Sri Akaal,

Ambarsaria Ji,

One has to be true to his own mind, and not to others,
Other seek their own truth, which is real to them, that is human mind.

Fundamentalist, thoughts are welcome.

Thoughts when face the test of situation,
reality appears,
there is sacrifice,

In situation only the true self appears to self and others.

Vocal or Written fundamentalism is no fundamentalism, as it needs sacrifice.
Leaving the comfort zone.
That is far away from life.
People just back out in situations.

"GURU's BANI" belief is on action.


Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

[Ambarsaria]

Sat Sri Akaal,....

ravneet_sb ji thanks for no answer. I will ask no more just comment when I feel.

Take care.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[ravneet_sb]

Sat Sri Akaal,
Ambarsaria Ji,


raneet_sb ji you make much less sense as soon as you start talking specifics. I know why you want to just dance around in the fear of making a mistake so you will just accumulate mistake. Let us review some of your post, Quote:
<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ravneet_sb
Sat Sri Akaal, Sikhism is advanced form of religious ways, it is straight and to the point, it contains all previous scripts, and the right ways of practice.
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You are no judge to say it includes all previous scripts. Ask a Muslim, ask a Hindu, ask a Buddhists, ask a christian. From posts over time from any adherent of these the line usually is Sikhism is not them but it stole some of our parts. How can you transcribe into "it contains all previous scripts". Utter nonsense and disrespect to our Guru ji as they never state such in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

You are right I am not the judge,
Guru's have not acquired knowledge through books,
like normal one acquires,
there knowledge acquisition was always there without reading/copy/paste of text,
and
knowledge delivered was contained in previous religious texts also.

Quote:
<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ravneet_sb
It is not the mantra, or text, which has problem, it was poor practise of acquired learning which brings disgrace.
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You show little learning of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so how can you blame others of other religions. When certain religions claim in their scriptures or holy books to be chosen people, selected son's and daughters of God, and so on. The blame is not with the practitioners.

Seeker joins forum to learn, perfect learned preaches.
You are right to say this that I have little learning.

Quote:
<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ravneet_sb
"GURU's BANI" gives us the way of practice,
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Gurbani is not a mental Gym for practice. It helps one grow to live a practical life with full awareness of ever increasing understanding of creator and creation.

It's interpretation of language, one can put the way one receives.
Quote:
<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ravneet_sb
self learning, self awareness through learning, and self cleansing,not falling prey to other human tendencies.
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not put you through a rinse cycle. These are other religion concepts being brought into Sikhism through the onslaught of interests who dislike Sikhism. Many have been so tainted that they don't even know where they belong and add nefarious stuff as Sikhism.


Rinse cycle is there, one needs to understand.
That's why repetition of Five Bani's is required daily for some, who can not bring
"GURU's BANI" to practis.

Quote:
<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by ravneet_sb
Practioner's bring grace or disgrace to "GURU's" in all forms of religion.
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You are being very disrespectful to Sikhism when you claim or pretend Sikhism to be a potion combined by our Guru ji by using extracts of other religions. This is a slippery slope that enemies of Sikhism want as many Sikhs to embrace as possible.

Regrets for that,
if respect means show off, I often miss that, and bear suffering for that also.


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh



Look forward to your comments. No need to be polite say what your mind thinks. We need to be truthful and to the point.

Sat Sri Akal.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

http://agniveer.com/1553/origin-of-vedas/



Vedic belief

We are unneceserally indulging in proving which does not require any proof.
I would recommend you to read the interpretation of Geeta by Swami Angadanand ji you will find an entirly different interptretation which will be perhaps very difficult for any common Hindu person to believe in.

In fact all the scripts which are basic and common for the SINGLE UNIVERSAL TRUTH come from the same source and are equally respectable.Only our own way s of interpretation of the same make us to have different feeling of restect for other scriptures.
If we really talk of SINGLE UNIVERSAL TRUTH which has been pointed out as RAM NAAMu (Imperishable) ,there will be no difference in understanding.
The problem is that we generally discuss matters far away from the SINGLE TRUTH to prove what is superior than others.
Prakash.s.Bagga

 

[Jeos]

Hello,

Since you mentioned Yogi Bhajan can I ask you what do you think about the Kundalini Yoga introduced by him in the western world? I began practicing it very intensely some months ago and after doing a lot of research I find that Bhajan's yoga might be a mix of Sikh and hinduist health/religious/spiritual exercises...

 

[Harry Haller]

and you would be correct!, or actually slightly incorrect in that I feel it is ALL hinduist, my own take is that all such meditation is no more in line with Sikh practice than going to the gym, however, if you find it beneficial and calming, all to the good!

Will it assist you in the search for the state of Naam, that is a different question

 

[Luckysingh]

Jeos post above-
Since you mentioned Yogi Bhajan can I ask you what do you think about the Kundalini Yoga introduced by him in the western world? I began practicing it very intensely some months ago and after doing a lot of research I find that Bhajan's yoga might be a mix of Sikh and hinduist health/religious/spiritual exercises...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->


It's just a different art form of yoga.
However, when one's kundalini is awakened, that is a different matter.
No matter what people say, this can happen with or without the yoga.
When it happens, believe me, you know.

To me it doesn't matter if some one says it's a hindu thing or buddhist or oterwise.

It's DOES NOT BELONG to any group. It's about yourself and connecting with the 'naam' or god within you. See the thread on Naam jap,naam simran and meditation for more details. From this thread, you may hopefully find it easier to understand this one form of naam within you that you can connect to with simran.

 

[ravneet_sb]

Sat Sri Akaal,

If one reads "GURU's BANI" there is abstraction and viz a viz physical realization to abstraction.


Connecting to Naam
Awakening Kundalini What is all this for "GURSIKH" or "LEARNED"

just abstraction
without realization
creating fancy of words,

it was never the way of "SIKHISM"

Guru Nanak Dev Ji spent there life to bring common people uplift common man from fancy of these words, or
just philosphical
without
realization of said words.

and

make abstract studies of scholars realized to a common man, and each one can realize through common senses (basic five senses)

they have not to fall pray of so called "PANDITS" or "BHAI's" to understand the basic truth's of nature.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji relieved the society and masses, by providing realisation of higher abstract studies, to realisation of common man through common sense.

A short story

If one knows facts of evoultion and reproduction, and has genetic record of ancestors, one can easily create fancy by telling past of person, through these record.

But "LEARNED" are aware of this, they do not fall pray to tese events.


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

[Harry Haller]

Sat Sri Akaal,

If one reads "GURU's BANI" there is abstraction and viz a viz physical realization to abstraction.


Connecting to Naam
Awakening Kundalini What is all this for "GURSIKH" or "LEARNED"

just abstraction
without realization
creating fancy of words,

it was never the way of "SIKHISM"

Guru Nanak Dev Ji spent there life to bring common people uplift common man from fancy of these words, or
just philosphical
without
realization of said words.

and

make abstract studies of scholars realized to a common man, and each one can realize through common senses (basic five senses)

they have not to fall pray of so called "PANDITS" or "BHAI's" to understand the basic truth's of nature.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji relieved the society and masses, by providing realisation of higher abstract studies, to realisation of common man through common sense.

A short story

If one knows facts of evoultion and reproduction, and has genetic record of ancestors, one can easily create fancy by telling past of person, through these record.

But "LEARNED" are aware of this, they do not fall pray to tese events.


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

wahmunda

 

[ravneet_sb]

Sat Sri Akaal,

Without keeping doubts of mind and in mind
And realization of Kundalini is awakening of one's own mind
for evolution/ reproduction and death

This way understanding's survival instincts, animal instincts stored.

Understanding of all this, on can clean mind thought's and thus vocal speech and physical actions.


Bhul Chuk Di Maafi, for next writting

Deep breath up and down is all foolish,
and
commercial ways of teaching religion
and
is no way preaching.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

 

[Taranjeet singh]

Jeos post above-
Since you mentioned Yogi Bhajan can I ask you what do you think about the Kundalini Yoga introduced by him in the western world? I began practicing it very intensely some months ago and after doing a lot of research I find that Bhajan's yoga might be a mix of Sikh and hinduist health/religious/spiritual exercises...<!-- google_ad_section_end -->


It's just a different art form of yoga.
However, when one's kundalini is awakened, that is a different matter.
No matter what people say, this can happen with or without the yoga.
When it happens, believe me, you know.

To me it doesn't matter if some one says it's a hindu thing or buddhist or oterwise.

It's DOES NOT BELONG to any group. It's about yourself and connecting with the 'naam' or god within you. See the thread on Naam jap,naam simran and meditation for more details. From this thread, you may hopefully find it easier to understand this one form of naam within you that you can connect to with simran.

Kundalini Yoga is a concept of awakening the lower serpent energy by undertaking strict breath control and in eastern philosophy one is required to utter the word ‘om’ 16 times while breathing in and 16 times while holding the breath and 16 times while exhaling.

It is not recommended in Sikhism. Guru Arjan Dev ji states in this regard :

Some practice inner cleansing teahniques, and control the breath through Kundalini Yoga. But Sikhs adore to worship the Lord.[Guru Arjan,Ramkali-912-15,16]

It has been discarded in Granth sahib at more than one place.[ang 1043].It is stated to be an hypocritical practice as sikhi requires humility and love for Creator as an essential element. Kundalini awakening in mechanical manner does not create Love for the Creator/Lord/waheguru and hence it is discarded in sikhi. Following are some other observations/tuks of bani

ਨਿਉਲੀ ਕਰਮ ਭੁਇਅੰਗਮ ਭਾਠੀ ॥

Inner cleansing techniques, channeling the energy to raise the Kundalini to the Tenth Gate,

ਰੇਚਕ ਕੁੰਭਕ ਪੂਰਕ ਮਨ ਹਾਠੀ ॥
inhaling, exhaling and holding the breath by the force of the mind -


ਪਾਖੰਡ ਧਰਮੁ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਹਰਿ ਸਉ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਮਹਾ ਰਸੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧੪॥
by empty hypocritical practices, Dharmic love for the Lord is not produced. Only through the Word of the Guru's Shabad is the sublime, supreme essence obtained. ||14||

Kundalini awakening in Sikhism
Per sikhism, Kundalini awakening is automatic as per following:

ਕੁੰਡਲਨੀ ਸੁਰਝੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਮੁਖਿ ਮਚਾ ॥
The Kundalini rises in the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation; through the Word of the Guru, they enjoy the Lord of Supreme Bliss.

Humility, compassion and love for Lord besides other are essential elements of sikhi worship.

Waheguru...

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

taranjeet Ji,
You have got it absolutely RIGHT jios...BUT you are in the company of a tiny minority...LIVING GURBANI to BECOME GURBANI is a "path" of Gurmatt that is valon nikki and sharp as the blade dhaar of a Khanda...and the Vast MAJORITY of Sikhs today are engaged in...simrans and saadhnas, some have lights on and others sit in darkness, some light dhoops and others light ghee jyots, soem sit on bare floors..others deep inside bhoras dug underground..some sit crosslegged..others hang their arms up or other weird positions,,some wear heavy maalas of steel *****..others of string, conch shells, some wear selhi topis..others wear hard hats..some keep their kesh long and open..others tie patkas etc etc etc..some chant waheguru waheguru..others har har..others fold arms across their chests..some breathe deeply..others shallowly....some wear loose choals other tight jeans..some shake heads violently..others hardly move...each group has its own "METHOD"...way..technique..etc etc..but the COMMON THREAD that Binds all these is they are MAN MADE.....GURBANI neither sanctions any such nor does it ENCOURAGE nor does it SHOW any such "methods/techniques/ways"...GURU NANAK JI personally TRAVELLED to all these places, teeraths and watched the PRACTIONERS of such saadhnas and simrans, yogas Masters, yogis, brahmcharees, siddhs, sadhus, pandits etc etc..and TOTALLY REJECTED their Methods and its written so in GURBANI.
The ONE and ONLY..Naam and Simran in Gurbani si to LIVE GURBANI practically as aHOUSEHOLDER practsing Kirt honest labour, waand chhaknna of the fruits fo that honest hard Labour and Live Life TRUTHFULLY..becasue High is TRUTH..BUT HIGHER STILL is TRUTHFUL LIVING...and Truthful living has to be PRACTICAL..and VISIBLE as Guru nanak ji lived in KartarPur in the concluding 20 years of His Earthly Life. Bhai Gurdass Ji mentions SHAAM da REHRASS DIWAN in SANGAT as a daily routine...of Guru nanak ji....early Mornings is as whats NORMAL for a Farmer ven Today..get up long before dawn...take the Bulls and the Plough, go to the FARM and begin Hall whaing..PLOGHING the Fileds before it gets too HOT. Then Cut the fresh Grass and bring it abck to the house for the cows etc..have some food and rest....and in the afternoon go back to the fields for a second tackle at ploughing etc..and as we all know a Farmers workday is never ending...its Hard HONEST labour..TRUTHFUL LIVING IN PRACTISE. Guur nanak ji had no time for such fanciful steel Maaalaas and huge karras and beads to string along..or sit around in darkened bhoras doing meditation..He PRACTISED what HE PREACHED.....TRUTHFUL LIVING and said so in His GURBANI...

 

[Astroboy]

SGGS page 154 Line 11 - "The four Vedas only speak of the visible forms. They describe and explain the three states of mind, but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru."

From the above, one cannot imply that the Vedas is the origin of Sikhism. Hinduism is limited to the 3 gunas Maya. But Sikhism reveals the Sach Khand realm which is not known in Hinduism. The Nirankar realm is neither subject to dissolution not destruction.

 

[Astroboy]

better to be an honest thief than a dishonest sikh?

Kabeer says on Page 1367 Line 4,

Kabeer, even the dog of the devotee is good, while the mother of the faithless cynic is bad.
The dog hears the praises of the Lord's name while the other is engaged in sin.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page 154 Line 11 - "The four Vedas only speak of the visible forms. They describe and explain the three states of mind, but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru."

From the above, one cannot imply that the Vedas is the origin of Sikhism. Hinduism is limited to the 3 gunas Maya. But Sikhism reveals the Sach Khand realm which is not known in Hinduism. The Nirankar realm is neither subject to dissolution not destruction.

If you look at a quote from Gurbanee as

"Bhaee Re GuR Binu Giyan Naa Hoee
Pucho Brahma Narde Bed Biyase Koee"

Secondly the Nirankaar Realm is not Formleess as we understand this.

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[Astroboy]

If you look at a quote from Gurbanee as

"Bhaee Re GuR Binu Giyan Naa Hoee
Pucho Brahma Narde Bed Biyase Koee"

Secondly the Nirankaar Realm is not Formleess as we understand this.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Please explain how it is related to the fact that Sikhism and Hinduism are different from the semantics point of view.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

Please explain how it is related to the fact that Sikhism and Hinduism are different from the semantics point of view.

The fundamental difference is in the acceptance of FORM of the Creator.
In Hinduism the Creator is depiceted in different Physical Forms whereas In Sikhisim The Creator is to be recognised as NIRANKAAR FORM.

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[nakuul]

Chanting mantras is good
they awaken chakras
some mantras are more powerful then others
I think one should practise and see what affect they
have on body.
The Gayatri mantra is excellent chanted by Bhuddist and Sufis as well.

In the posts it is rightly said sheinvokes the elements of creation good post
its not only Hindu mantra she belongs to everyone