Hemkunt-Sikhs Chasing Shadows Of Brahmanwaad!

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

Itsmaneetji

OK, lets forget the lesson about Kaam, Krodh, let us look at it from another angle.


Quote:
12. No one has known the end of women. Even the Creator is regretting after creating them. The one who has created this creation, even He has failed to understand women. 13. 1.

So you are suggesting that, despite whatever explanation you have for the filth, that God who created women, does not understand them and has regrets? Hmmm I think I prefer the way Creator is described in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but each to his own.

Some very valid points! Can God not understand the Creation itself? Can God have regrets? And have we known the end of men?

Personally, I don't believe these lines were either written by Guru or formally approved to be part of Dasam writings. On some forum or thread, people were supporting the idea of polygamy in Sikhi because some of the Dasam Granth writings 'promote' it!

 

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

Further in Charitropakhyan, 405 (in total characters) are being described on both male & female, may be to expose the various faces of human & how to deal with them.

The point is not who is being exposed. The point is the hint of author that God cannot fathom so dark the con of man/woman and that God 'regrets'.

PS: Could you please forward me the Ang where this line is there - Mayiya Rabb Rajayiyan

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

The DG is one granth where sikhs run from pillar to post..explaining away terms and words..not unlike those from other religions face when for example its shown that..The Earth..the Universe is Billions of Years old..distances are in trillions of light years apart..etc..and their Holy texts declare..God created Earth in 6 days..."DAYS"...oh this is NOT the usual 24 hour day..its Gods DAY...and who knows how many billion years that DAY actually is !! The Sun stops in the sky..the sun revolves around the earth..the earth is the Center of the Universe..etc etc...EACH "fact" can be explained as "FACT"..all you need is FAITH....FULL FAITH !! A famous Malaysian Lawyer was Caught on Videotape "arranging" some shady dealings..when exposed and shown the Tape in Court..his famous words are now often repeated.."That ( person in the tape) LOOKS like ME, Talks like ME, Sounds like ME....exactly to a T......BUT its NOT ME !! have FAITH in me that its NOT ME.. SHIVA is the Name of Parbati wife of SHIV and Bhai kahn Singh nabha has verified confirmed this fact in his mahan kosh since 1930...and this SONG is beloved of the BJP HINDUTVA Gang precisely because it seeks to establish that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a DEVI WORSHIPPER and is asking a BOON form DEVI SHIVA. Clear as DAY..but then some people's "day" is NOT exactly 24 hour type..

NOT so the SGGS...and its a futile argument..OH DG says Deh SHIVA..why not you see that SGGS says Raam..Murari..Krishan..Hari..Narayan..?? The DEH SHIVA mentiona dn the other mentions in SGGS are Miles apart because when the ENTIRE SHABAD is read in FULL..there is not even 0.00000000001% chance of confusion as to who is MURARI..Narayan..Hari..Raam of SGGS.....BUT this is NOT TRUE of DG. Kala Afgahan was so successful in EXPOSING THESE FAILURES of DG that he is as MUCH HATED as Galileo Galliee was by the VATICAN when he also EXPOSED the FAILINGS of the Church back in 15th century. Kala Afghana is the galileo galilee of SIKHISM. The CHURCH crucified Galileo and only accepted him after 500 years...SIKHS are lucky that it wont take THAT LONG for Kala Afghana !!

 

[itsmaneet]

The DG is one granth where sikhs run from pillar to post..explaining away terms and words..not unlike those from other religions face when for example its shown that..The Earth..the Universe is Billions of Years old..distances are in trillions of light years apart..etc..and their Holy texts declare..God created Earth in 6 days..."DAYS"...oh this is NOT the usual 24 hour day..its Gods DAY...and who knows how many billion years that DAY actually is !! The Sun stops in the sky..the sun revolves around the earth..the earth is the Center of the Universe..etc etc...EACH "fact" can be explained as "FACT"..all you need is FAITH....FULL FAITH !! A famous Malaysian Lawyer was Caught on Videotape "arranging" some shady dealings..when exposed and shown the Tape in Court..his famous words are now often repeated.."That ( person in the tape) LOOKS like ME, Talks like ME, Sounds like ME....exactly to a T......BUT its NOT ME !! have FAITH in me that its NOT ME.. SHIVA is the Name of Parbati wife of SHIV and Bhai kahn Singh nabha has verified confirmed this fact in his mahan kosh since 1930...and this SONG is beloved of the BJP HINDUTVA Gang precisely because it seeks to establish that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a DEVI WORSHIPPER and is asking a BOON form DEVI SHIVA. Clear as DAY..but then some people's "day" is NOT exactly 24 hour type..

NOT so the SGGS...and its a futile argument..OH DG says Deh SHIVA..why not you see that SGGS says Raam..Murari..Krishan..Hari..Narayan..?? The DEH SHIVA mentiona dn the other mentions in SGGS are Miles apart because when the ENTIRE SHABAD is read in FULL..there is not even 0.00000000001% chance of confusion as to who is MURARI..Narayan..Hari..Raam of SGGS.....BUT this is NOT TRUE of DG. Kala Afgahan was so successful in EXPOSING THESE FAILURES of DG that he is as MUCH HATED as Galileo Galliee was by the VATICAN when he also EXPOSED the FAILINGS of the Church back in 15th century. Kala Afghana is the galileo galilee of SIKHISM. The CHURCH crucified Galileo and only accepted him after 500 years...SIKHS are lucky that it wont take THAT LONG for Kala Afghana !!

Dear Giani Ji

It feels that you have very in-depth knowledge on DG or you must also have read it. So you should also be know in how many languages it's been written ... I guess so !

Even if you know in how many languages it's been written it's not necessary that you have good command in all these languages. Sant Hari Singh Ji Randawa once in his speech said that Guruji had deep interest in poetry & always use to maintain 100's of poets specialized in various languages.

I don't understand that fact that -

a) Is that so called 'Kala Afghana' bigger than Baba Deep Singh Ji, Maskeen Ji, Jarnail Singh Ji etc..... coz these leaders / sants ever raised a single question on Shri Dasam Granth.

b) Why is Kala Afghana running from discussions on clarifying his findings at Shri Akal Takht?
c) Today, these Kala Afghana's followers have even started opposing Jaap Sahib, Ardas etc... where are they heading ??


At the end, every person have his own perception & you may be right at your place but i cannot show my back to my Guru. What he's has written is correct & it's just the matter that we narrow minded people are unable to understand the contents. But i hope Waheguru will bless us one day with the mind to understand this great Bani.

At the end, i would again say, Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the ONLY GURU Sikhs have & not other granth be it Dasam granth or any will take its place. But.....DG being the creation of our Dasam Pita is a respectful Granth...

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ...

 

[itsmaneet]

PS: Could you please forward me the Ang where this line is there - Mayiya Rabb Rajayiyan

It was something I heard from a Sant came our city for Prachars ...

 

[itsmaneet]

Itsmaneetji

OK, lets forget the lesson about Kaam, Krodh, let us look at it from another angle.




So you are suggesting that, despite whatever explanation you have for the filth, that God who created women, does not understand them and has regrets? Hmmm I think I prefer the way Creator is described in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but each to his own.

Dear Harry Ji

Can you please post the same in Gurmukhi as the original text ?

Thanks

 

[Harry Haller]

Dear Harry Ji

Can you please post the same in Gurmukhi as the original text ?

Thanks

Dearest brother,

I already have, but will do so again, together with the page number from DG

ਕੈ ਜੜ ਪ੍ਰਾਨਨ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ ਤਜੁ। ਕੈ ਰੁਚਿ ਮਾਨਿ ਆਉ ਮੁਹਿ ਕੌ ਭਜੁ। ਕੈ ਤੁਹਿ ਕਾਟਿ ਕਰੈ ਸਤ ਖੰਡਾ। ਕੈ ਦੈ ਮੋਰਿ ਭਗ ਬਿਖੈ ਲੰਡਾ। ੧੧। ਰਾਜ ਕੁਅਰ ਅਤ ਹੀ ਤਬ ਡਰਾ। ਕਾਮ ਭੋਗ ਤਿਹ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਸੰਗ ਕਰਾ। ਇਹ ਛਲ ਸੈ ਵਾ ਕੋ ਛਲਿ ਗਈ। ਰਾਇ ਬਿਰਾਗਿਯਹਿ ਭੋਗਤ ਭਈ। ੧੨। ਅੰਤ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਨ ਕੋ ਕਿਨੂੰ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ। ਬਿਧਨਾ ਸਿਰਜਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਪਛੁਤਾਯੋ। ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਕਿਯੌ ਸਕਲ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ। ਵਹੈ ਪਛਾਨਿ ਭੇਦ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਹਾਰੋ। ੧੩। ੧। {ਚਰਿਤਰ ੩੧੨, ੫.੪ ੮੭}

You will find on page 2122 same website

I note you quote a lot of things you have heard from 'sants'.........

 

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

It was something I heard from a Sant came our city for Prachars

Hehehe I tried searching so hard using Sikhitothemax and couldn't find it. Anyway you have not answered the 2 part question - Can God reject its own creation? And can Creation be beyond understanding of God?

 

[itsmaneet]

Dearest brother,

I already have, but will do so again, together with the page number from DG

ਕੈ ਜੜ ਪ੍ਰਾਨਨ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ ਤਜੁ। ਕੈ ਰੁਚਿ ਮਾਨਿ ਆਉ ਮੁਹਿ ਕੌ ਭਜੁ। ਕੈ ਤੁਹਿ ਕਾਟਿ ਕਰੈ ਸਤ ਖੰਡਾ। ਕੈ ਦੈ ਮੋਰਿ ਭਗ ਬਿਖੈ ਲੰਡਾ। ੧੧। ਰਾਜ ਕੁਅਰ ਅਤ ਹੀ ਤਬ ਡਰਾ। ਕਾਮ ਭੋਗ ਤਿਹ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਸੰਗ ਕਰਾ। ਇਹ ਛਲ ਸੈ ਵਾ ਕੋ ਛਲਿ ਗਈ। ਰਾਇ ਬਿਰਾਗਿਯਹਿ ਭੋਗਤ ਭਈ। ੧੨। ਅੰਤ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਨ ਕੋ ਕਿਨੂੰ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ। ਬਿਧਨਾ ਸਿਰਜਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਪਛੁਤਾਯੋ। ਜਿਨ ਇਹ ਕਿਯੌ ਸਕਲ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ। ਵਹੈ ਪਛਾਨਿ ਭੇਦ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਹਾਰੋ। ੧੩। ੧। {ਚਰਿਤਰ ੩੧੨, ੫.੪ ੮੭}

You will find on page 2122 same website

I note you quote a lot of things you have heard from 'sants'.........

Yes, I do listen to Sants but not just any .... like Sant Singh Ji Maskeen, Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa, Garbachan Singh Ji (Damdami Taksal), Hari Singh Ji Randhawa, Nihung Mahtab Singh Ji (Karnal)..... All have been serving the community from decades ...

Also, on Dasam Granth Ji, I do read & listen to Dr. Jodh Singh (Head, Encyclopedia of Sikhsim. Punjabi University, Patiala) who has spent all his life in understanding the Dasam Grath & never objected a single content of it.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

That saying is NOT GURBANI...not even in the DG ...or any other granth...its a SAKHI.....

 

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

Regarding pilgrimages:

<TABLE width="84%"><TBODY><TR><TD>ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਛੰਤ
Dhanaasaree, First Mehl, Chhant:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਣ ਜਾਉ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ॥
Why should I bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage? The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage.

ਤੀਰਥੁ ਸਬਦ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਹੈ ॥
My sacred shrine of pilgrimage is spiritual wisdom within, and contemplation on the Word of the Shabad.

ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਸਾਚਾ ਥਾਨੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਦਸ ਪੁਰਬ ਸਦਾ ਦਸਾਹਰਾ ॥
The spiritual wisdom given by the Guru is the True sacred shrine of pilgrimage, where the ten festivals are always observed.

ਹਉ ਨਾਮੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸਦਾ ਜਾਚਉ ਦੇਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਧਰਣੀਧਰਾ ॥
I constantly beg for the Name of the Lord; grant it to me, O God, Sustainer of the world.

ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਰੋਗੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਦਾਰੂ ਮੈਲੁ ਲਾਗੈ ਸਚ ਬਿਨਾ ॥
The world is sick, and the Naam is the medicine to cure it; without the True Lord, filth sticks to it.

ਗੁਰ ਵਾਕੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਸਦਾ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਨਿਤ ਸਾਚੁ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਮਜਨਾ ॥੧॥
The Guru's Word is immaculate and pure; it radiates a steady Light. Constantly bathe in such a true shrine of pilgrimage.
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[Randip Singh]

Any mention of Hemkunt in Dasam Granth is metaphorical and not literal.

Sikhism one of the enlightened faiths of the world has had the misfortune of being thrust on one of the most ignorant people in the world ...Punjabi's...hence why things like this are taken literally!!!icecreamkudi

 

[sukritkaur]

Gurfateh,

Despite the fact that certain contents of the DG are downright appalling it seems that we decide what we will choose to support (the deh shiva stanzas) and what to disregard (the pages Harry
Haller Veer ji posted). Herein lies the double standard, Gurbani is intended to be the simplest possible way to connect to Akal Purakh and I have never been left confused or irritated after reading or listening to Gurbani, as I was when reading the excerpts of the DG posted by Harry Veer Ji.
Gurbani is the basic arithmetic that sustains our understanding of how to live our lives, it was written in the easiest possible way so everyone could understand it, and has never been refuted. This is what the DG fails to do, it does not have a central thesis, although there exist some insightful passages, it reads without the methodical organization of the SGG SAHIB, and works in opposition of earlier established tenants of the faith.

As earlier questioned by Kanwaljit Veer Ji and Harry Haller Ji, the claim made in the cited stanza where God questions the forethought of creating humans because he is unable to understand them seems completely retrograde to all we have learned about Akal Purakh and the creation.in SGGS JI.

With respect to the several sants ans parcharaks referenced earlier on, yes most of these people are valued contributors to spreading knowledge however we must consider we are all humans and therefore are not 100 percetn precise in all we say or do, we are bound to make mistakes, this is an innately human quality. So I take what every parcharak says with a grain of salt because each has their own beliefs and interpretations of the SGG SAHIB JI. However great a person may be at doing Gurbani analysis, their interpretation is never as solid or correct as the words in the SGGS JI. I'm going to leave the teaching to our greatest teacher SGGS JI and let Akal Purakh judge on his own accord if I was right or wrong not to read/follow the DG. At the end of the day, as long as I follow the path set out in the SGGS JI, I live without fear and able to sleep well at night.

Bhool Chuk Muaf,
Sukrit Kaur

 

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

I think we can say one thing for sure, no passage of Guru Ganth Sahib violates with another. This is not true with Dasam Granth.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

SELF CONTRADICTION is the HALLMARK of this Hotch Potch Granth called DG. Hundreds of contradictions..but who cares...even GROSS mistakes and the author has the gall to request the reader to make the CORRECTIONS !! and we call him our "Dasam Pita Ji ??? What a contradiction in itself..because the real and original Dasam Pita Ji is beyond mistakes abhull....the TENTH NANAK. There is a 10 KROR inaam prize for proving beyond doubt the authenticity of dg..no one has dared collect it so far..why ??

 

[itsmaneet]

First of all, Shri Dasam Granth is written in mostly 4 languages - Braj, Sahaskriti, Persian & Punjabi.

Punjabi is fine, but the way anti-Dasam Granth people propagate against Shri Dasam Granth it seems that they are scholars in other languages too. They would never try to study the deeper meaning of the message being conveyed but would rather concentrate on the contents.

Here i put forth my some views -

1. A father or mother would never talk in adultery language openly with their kids but still if required a boy would share his problem with his father & the girl may with her mother. Same i feel is Shri Dasam Granth. Excess of kaam do exist in human, excess of krodh do exists in humans ... can it be denied ? So if our father is giving us some direction to get rid of such things whats wrong in that. "Charitropakhyan" - Charitar means "Character" & "Pakhyan" means stories. It's used by Guru ji to discuss the 405 characters of humans, their good/bad things etc. & how to live a good human's life, a disciplined life..so whats wrong is in it?

2. Secondly, when you visit a doctor, you are open to him .... isn't it? You discuss your problems & doctor prescribes you. Same is in Dasam, if you are over lusty, greedy, angry etc... just refer it. It's a sort of prescription.

i feel most on this forum are anti-Dasam but thats not my worry. No matter what, i'll keep respecting Shr Dasam Granth & will read it. And i say it again "Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj" is our ONLY Guru & remain forever but other creations of our Gurus are also respectful.

Gurfateh !!

 

[Harry Haller]

First of all, Shri Dasam Granth is written in mostly 4 languages - Braj, Sahaskriti, Persian & Punjabi.

Punjabi is fine, but the way anti-Dasam Granth people propagate against Shri Dasam Granth it seems that they are scholars in other languages too. They would never try to study the deeper meaning of the message being conveyed but would rather concentrate on the contents.

Here i put forth my some views -

1. A father or mother would never talk in adultery language openly with their kids but still if required a boy would share his problem with his father & the girl may with her mother. Same i feel is Shri Dasam Granth. Excess of kaam do exist in human, excess of krodh do exists in humans ... can it be denied ? So if our father is giving us some direction to get rid of such things whats wrong in that. "Charitropakhyan" - Charitar means "Character" & "Pakhyan" means stories. It's used by Guru ji to discuss the 405 characters of humans, their good/bad things etc. & how to live a good human's life, a disciplined life..so whats wrong is in it?

2. Secondly, when you visit a doctor, you are open to him .... isn't it? You discuss your problems & doctor prescribes you. Same is in Dasam, if you are over lusty, greedy, angry etc... just refer it. It's a sort of prescription.

i feel most on this forum are anti-Dasam but thats not my worry. No matter what, i'll keep respecting Shr Dasam Granth & will read it. And i say it again "Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj" is our ONLY Guru & remain forever but other creations of our Gurus are also respectful.

Gurfateh !!

even if all these reasons are accepted, please explain the appalling attitude to women, and the purpose of such

Why would anyone go to such extraordinary lengths to put women on an equal footing with men, to improve the image of women in society, to show a woman can do anything a man can, and then write about how manipulative and destructive they are? is this not going backwards? is this not just written idle gossip and titillation? could the point be not made without the hardcore porn?

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

My dad taught me all the dos and donts early on..all about masturbation and wet dreams and all that a growing young teen needs to know and what results will happen if we do this and do that..BUT he certainly didnt buy any pornographic magazines, Playboy etc.. to actually graphically show me whats it all about...or show me naked guys to show me about what men do heejrreh do etc etc..or buy all those hair removing creams and tell me how sex is "better" if shaved private parts are used.....

NEITHER did any of my TEACHERS at SCHOOL ever do any of this stuff....BUT the DG charitaropakhyan author makes sure its all GRAPHICALLY DESCRIBED so nothing is left to the IMAGINATION....consuming drugs, shaving private parts, using creams and lotions, various positions for better sexual enjoyment, hiding under beds to escape husbands coming home early, hiding inside rooms behind closed doors having and arranging secret rendezous...etc etc etc all Utterly Shameful and EXPOSED "knowledge" which is totally 110% UN-NECESSARY for any real knowledge to be imparted. Any normal SCHOOL EDUCATION SYSTEM will THROW OUT the DG Charitorpakhyans if any so called "shardhaloo of DG" attempts to pass it on as EDUCATIONAL/SPIRITUAL....in Fact this part of the DG belongs to those HINDU TEMPLES where Naked statues of women and men in various sex poses are dispalyed...Khujro for example..its perfectly fit there...rather than in a SIKH home/Gurdawra where the Highly Spiritual DIVINE SGGS is present. period.

 

[itsmaneet]

My dad taught me all the dos and donts early on..all about masturbation and wet dreams and all that a growing young teen needs to know and what results will happen if we do this and do that..BUT he certainly didnt buy any pornographic magazines, Playboy etc.. to actually graphically show me whats it all about...or show me naked guys to show me about what men do heejrreh do etc etc..or buy all those hair removing creams and tell me how sex is "better" if shaved private parts are used.....

NEITHER did any of my TEACHERS at SCHOOL ever do any of this stuff....BUT the DG charitaropakhyan author makes sure its all GRAPHICALLY DESCRIBED so nothing is left to the IMAGINATION....consuming drugs, shaving private parts, using creams and lotions, various positions for better sexual enjoyment, hiding under beds to escape husbands coming home early, hiding inside rooms behind closed doors having and arranging secret rendezous...etc etc etc all Utterly Shameful and EXPOSED "knowledge" which is totally 110% UN-NECESSARY for any real knowledge to be imparted. Any normal SCHOOL EDUCATION SYSTEM will THROW OUT the DG Charitorpakhyans if any so called "shardhaloo of DG" attempts to pass it on as EDUCATIONAL/SPIRITUAL....in Fact this part of the DG belongs to those HINDU TEMPLES where Naked statues of women and men in various sex poses are dispalyed...Khujro for example..its perfectly fit there...rather than in a SIKH home/Gurdawra where the Highly Spiritual DIVINE SGGS is present. period.

It's good sir that your dad helped you on those things but thankfully God helps many individuals to understand all these things with age still there are few who would take help from outside.

"Charitropakhyan" means- Charitar "Character" & Pakhyan "Story" so obviously one thing is clear that these stories were being used from ages & of course to send a meaningful message & thats what Guruji did. For instance internet have both advantage & disadvantage - if you use it to enhance you knowledge in good things you'll be benefited or if not you'll suffer .... Then why DG is not referred on positive thoughts that each character is sending a message ...

Sant Jarnail Singh once said - "Forget understanding Dasam Granth, a coward person cannot even listen or read it" & thats what the anti Dasam Granth people are ... Kaam, Krodh is inbuilt...no one can hide from it & if something good can be leart taking their reference i don't thing there's anythg wrong on it ....

Further, am a very common Sikh & one thing is sure that i believe DG is the creation of Dasam Pita Ji & atleast am nvr gonna show my back to my father .... like so called Kala Afghana, Darshan Ragi & their followers doing these days ...

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

It's good sir that your dad helped you on those things but thankfully God helps many individuals to understand all these things with age still there are few who would take help from outside.

"Charitropakhyan" means- Charitar "Character" & Pakhyan "Story" so obviously one thing is clear that these stories were being used from ages & of course to send a meaningful message & thats what Guruji did. For instance internet have both advantage & disadvantage - if you use it to enhance you knowledge in good things you'll be benefited or if not you'll suffer .... Then why DG is not referred on positive thoughts that each character is sending a message ...

Sant Jarnail Singh once said - "Forget understanding Dasam Granth, a coward person cannot even listen or read it" & thats what the anti Dasam Granth people are ... Kaam, Krodh is inbuilt...no one can hide from it & if something good can be leart taking their reference i don't thing there's anythg wrong on it ....

Further, am a very common Sikh & one thing is sure that i believe DG is the creation of Dasam Pita Ji & atleast am nvr gonna show my back to my father .... like so called Kala Afghana, Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa & their followers doing these days ...

Yeah ji..sounds like the "arguments" some of my students used to make when i caught them with Playboy under the table...OH Sir, I am learning ENGLISH writing..i swear i never look at the naked ladies sir..i swear.."..
Yes a Cowardly student who wants to excell in ENGLISH for sure would be damn scared of buying Playboy or even opening it....same way I would be scared of charitropakhyans if I want to excell in GURBANI of SGGS..you are right ji...I am a COWARD...and proud of it.