Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself

[simpy]

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Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi.........

Sabh Te Vadda Satguru Nanak..........

Waheguru

 

[Sikh80]

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krxI kIriq nwmu vsweI ] (363-3, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, the Naam abides within the mind.

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This is the Bani Of Guru Nanak Dev ji wherein he states that we should do the keertan in HIS praise. It tells us again that Guru ji was not God though he might have merged with HIM.

 

[Archived_member2]

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Every Vaak from the true Gurus is the experience of Truth.

Translations may be a help for the beginners. For spiritual growth true Naam Simran is the must. Also, Guru's statements then become our own experience and understanding them is simple and straight.

This topic incites longing for Satsangs. I wish I have more time for it.

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This impulse is something to begin with the first Vaak referring Gurdev.

gur kw sbdu n mytY koie ] (864-19, goNf, mÚ 5)
gur kw sbdu n mytY koe ] (19, goØNf, gu} Arjn dyv)
gur kaa sabadu na metai koee.

Gur's Sabad does not delete anyone.

The Gur (Wisdom) of true Sabad gives eternity.

The next Vaak is then easy to understand when one knows the difference of words Naanak, Naanaku, Naanaki Naankaa and other similar words.

Love.


Balbir Singh

 

[Sikh80]

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Thank you Balbir ji,
happy

 

[Sikh80]

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ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature).
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ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ।
Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies).
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[bhai Gurdas ji]

 

[simpy]

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ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature).
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ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ।
Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies).
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[bhai Gurdas ji]

Thanks very much Sikh 80 Ji,


exactly, we are not talking about our Guru as 'MAN'.


Guru is INFINITE..........................So .........Soham Parbrahm


thanks a lot.


BEAUTIFUL, AT LEAST ONE MORE FELLOW AT SPN LIKES RESPECTED BHAI GURDAS JI.

Waheguru

 

[simpy]

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People who consider their Guru as just another Man-full of fallacies-think about their level.....................

Jaisa Guru Vaisa Chela.



Satguru Sache Patshah Dhan Nirankaar..........

Waheguru

 

[simpy]

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ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature).
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ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ।
Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies).
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[bhai Gurdas ji]

these beautiful lines by Bhai Gurdas ji tells us that Karta is Waheguru not Man-this I/Me/He/She......................

Dhan Dhan Gurbani: kar kar vaikhe jaane soi.................

Waheguru

 

[Sikh80]

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਉ ਆਪੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ।
satigur naanak dayu aapu upaaiaa|
God himself created the true Guru Nanak.​

Nanak ji was created by HIM. So how can Nanak ji be the One who created him.?
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Surinder ji,
I am a new comer to sikhi and am likely to believe that is stated by a senior member like you. I hope you shall only be stating that is true else it is likely to create problems for others. I have stated my position. You may now clarify, when the time permits, if Nanak dev ji was creator. Looks far from reality; but if you are reasonably sure about this you are free to post.

 

[Archived_member2]

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

This is the difference.

ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
Bhai Gurdas says 'No one has seen or known this creator'.

Guru Amardaas Jee is singing Truth.
Aidstu Agocru AlKu inrMjnu so dyiKAw gurmuiK AwKI ]
Aidstu Agoc{ AlKu inrNjnu so dyiKAw gurmuiK AwKI ]
adistu agocharu alakhu niranjanu so daykhiaa gurmukhi aakhee. SGGS Ang 87-19

Listeners and readers are perhaps curious to know who has seen whom and told about HIM.

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Quote from Surinder Jee (Post #27) "exactly, we are not talking about our Guru as 'MAN'."
Another Quote (Post #28) "People who consider their Guru as just another Man-full of fallacies-think about their level.....................Jaisa Guru Vaisa Chela."

The generations of sinners during the true Guru's time were also having the same slogans.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

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sinners

 

[simpy]

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Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Sache Paatshah De Paavan Bachan:



Panna#2

ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥
ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥੪॥

swcw swihbu swcu nwie BwiKAw Bwau Apwru ] (2-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
saachaa saahib saach naa-ay bhaakhi-aa bhaa-o apaar.
True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite love.
AwKih mMgih dyih dyih dwiq kry dwqwru ] (2-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
aakhahi mangahi dayhi dayhi daat karay daataar.
People beg and pray, "Give to us, give to us", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts.
Pyir ik AgY rKIAY ijqu idsY drbwru ] (2-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
fayr ke agai rakhee-ai jit disai darbaar.
So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court?
muhO ik bolxu bolIAY ijqu suix Dry ipAwru ] (2-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
muhou ke bolan bolee-ai jit sun Dharay pi-aar.
What words can we speak to evoke His Love?
AMimRq vylw scu nwau vifAweI vIcwru ] (2-5, jpu, mÚ 1)
amrit vaylaa sach naa-o vadi-aa-ee veechaar.
In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.
krmI AwvY kpVw ndrI moKu duAwru ] (2-5, jpu, mÚ 1)
karmee aavai kaprhaa nadree mokh du-aar.
By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.
nwnk eyvY jwxIAY sBu Awpy sicAwru ]4] (2-6, jpu, mÚ 1)
naanak ayvai jaanee-ai sabh aapay sachiaar. ||4||
O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||

 

[Sikh80]

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Surinder ji,

Do you confirm that baba Nanak ,born in 1469 in Talwandi and the first guru of sikhs & brother Of Bibi Nanki, was the Creator, the Paratma/God/Lord as stated and referred to in Jap ji Sahib ji by Nanak dev ji.

After this I am not likely to question anything on this thread.

 

[simpy]

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are you not the Creator??????????


first ask yourself this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you out of Ekomkaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes me neechan to vi neech knows ALL IS GOD and GOD IS ALL. AND GURBANI IS STAMPING ON THIS TRUTH OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

And Dhan Dhan all 11 Gurus IS GOD/Nirankaar and ALL.


SABH AAPEY SACHYAAR.................

 

[simpy]

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was the Creator

this is funny Sikh80 Ji,

you are using 'was' after reading all that Gurbani you been posting

 

[simpy]

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So have you found out WHO IS REAL YOU, dear Sikh 80 Ji ????????????????


me neech humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

andar tu hai bahar tu hai rom rom vich tu............

Jeta Keeta Teta NAO...................................

 

[Archived_Member_19]

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dudes

pls comeout of the God concept of abrahamic God of wrath and the Plato's wise old man in tower

i am not as learned in Gurbani translation but i can atleast understand what surinder ji is trying to say..

and Blabir ji

you are just twisting the semantics

you say that Guru ji were "liberated" from the junis, aren't others too at somepoint in time?

so yes, Guru Nanak were in human juni, all humans are in juni cycle, but all are God still...

je Rab milda, bahar labheyaan

taan raab milda gaiyaan majhaan nu,


je rab milda naatheyaa dhotteya...

taan rab milda macchiyaan nu...

je rab milda, hookaan maareyaa,

taan rab milda kaavaan nu...

rab nu ki labhda ein

kade "aiina" jake wekheyaa kar...

 

[Sikh80]

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I am that ,that I am, but I am not that I am not. How could I be that that I am not and was never and will never be that .Likewise How could I be that I am not and can be not.
My layman reasoning fails to understand the reason that has become the reason of sending so many posts that do not stand to any reasonable reason.

Amar ji
Anyone who is subject to life and Death is not a creator and cannot be a creator. It is the plain assumption that we make while looking at the godhead in sikhi.

e&oe

 

[BhagatSingh]

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Dear Sikh80 Ji,


Bani Sach Hai............ doesn't matter in which year the lines are composed.



A TRUE SAINT: WHOSE SOUL IS MERGED WITH THE ALMIGHTY(GOD). SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE??? NO. BUT A SAINT NEVER NEVER SING HIS/HER OWN PRAISES.....................


NO TRUE SAINT calls himself/herself GOD.


BUT A TRUE SAINT KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER TRUE SAINT, SO ACKNOWLEDGING HIM .................


Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaaj is telling about Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.


OUR GURUS ARE SO HUMBLE Sikh80 Ji, THEY HAVE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT NO BODY SHOULD CALL THEM GOD. BUT ONCE ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH, ONCE HEAD BOWS WITH UTMOST RESPECT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.............. AND HEART AND MIND ABSORBS THE TRUTH- TU HI TU.............................

Untill one has doubts about his/her Guru's ability, duality stays lingering in one form or the other..........


SEVAK SIKH POOJAN SABH AAYE............................. read this shabad, in this Shabad Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Sahib is telling that one has to believe the word(order) of his/her Guru as TRUE.

and treatment of doubt is also prescribed by Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib- naam simran/rab nu chete karo/remember Him and only Him.................................................................

Waheguru Rakha

So when Gurus themselves say that they are not God and do not call them God. Why do you insist on calling them God??? I dont see the logic.

 

[BhagatSingh]

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are you not the Creator??????????


first ask yourself this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you out of Ekomkaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes me neechan to vi neech knows ALL IS GOD and GOD IS ALL. AND GURBANI IS STAMPING ON THIS TRUTH OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

And Dhan Dhan all 11 Gurus IS GOD/Nirankaar and ALL.


SABH AAPEY SACHYAAR.................

What is Ekomkaar? I have never heard of it.
Yes the Gurus were God and so am I. Since All is God and GOD is all.