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Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself

simpy

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thanks everybody for your comments.

Dhan Dhan Gurbani tells us:

LOGAN RAAM KHILONA JANA. and with my neech budhi whatever i got here in this thread:

Veer Balbir, veer Sikh80, and Veer Bhagat Singh has proved it RIGHT HERE.

Thankyou guys
 

BhagatSingh

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thanks everybody for your comments.

Dhan Dhan Gurbani tells us:

LOGAN RAAM KHILONA JANA. and with my neech budhi whatever i got here in this thread:

Veer Balbir, veer Sikh80, and Veer Bhagat Singh has proved it RIGHT HERE.

Thankyou guys

Great! So what have we proved? or is this a form of insult?
 

simpy

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Veer BHagat Singh Ji,

it is up to you, what you want to make out of it........................

me neech is saying again:

Gurbani says it and me neechan to vi neech believe in it:

God is All and All is God.
Dhan Guru Nanak Sache Patshah is God Himself.
All includes all, nothing excluded, even the air that veer Bhagat is breathing.

thanks for reading.

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Some persons feel and stress that they are God (Raam). People (LogaN) on this forum feel that she or he is a Khilona.

Please forgive them.


Balbir Singh
 

BhagatSingh

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Veer BHagat Singh Ji,

it is up to you, what you want to make out of it........................

me neech is saying again:

Gurbani says it and me neechan to vi neech believe in it:

God is All and All is God. well said!
Dhan Guru Nanak Sache Patshah is God Himself, and so are you(people). :whisling:
All includes all, nothing excluded, even the air that veer Bhagat is breathing. Who by the way happens to be GOD :}{}{}:

thanks for reading.

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness
Great! So I have proved something and it is upto me to decide what I have proved! Let's see for how long u can ignore my questions for?
 

simpy

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:):)

Veer Bhagat i answered your question. you cannot read, is not me neech's fault

Waheguru Rakha
 

simpy

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if you cannot read and understand an already well explained answer, how can you understand it in the next attempt.

Waheguru Rakha
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Preachers say that one should love God to find God. People should love you or themselves who do not know what is God.

Please forgive them and allow them to love.


Balbir Singh
 

BhagatSingh

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:advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate::advocate:
 
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Dear Bhagat singh ji,
I can understand your predicament. Go thru. the first question that is asked and the replies of Surinder ji. I hope you will not find any link.
May be it is her style of writing but it is not impressive.
If you make out something please do tell.
 

simpy

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ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਜੇ ਮਿਲੈ ਪਾਈਐ ਰਤਨੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ ਮਨੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਗੁਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਰਬ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਅਵਗਣ ਮੇਟਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਨਾਰਦੈ ਬੇਦ ਬਿਆਸੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧੁਨਿ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਅਕਥੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਸਫਲਿਓ ਬਿਰਖੁ ਹਰੀਆਵਲਾ ਛਾਵ ਘਣੇਰੀ ਹੋਇ ॥ ਲਾਲ ਜਵੇਹਰ ਮਾਣਕੀ ਗੁਰ ਭੰਡਾਰੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੨॥ ਗੁਰ ਭੰਡਾਰੈ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਨਾਮ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਸਾਚੋ ਵਖਰੁ ਸੰਚੀਐ ਪੂਰੈ ਕਰਮਿ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ਦੁਖ ਮੇਟਣੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੁ ॥੩॥ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਬਿਖਮੁ ਡਰਾਵਣੋ ਨਾ ਕੰਧੀ ਨਾ ਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾ ਬੇੜੀ ਨਾ ਤੁਲਹੜਾ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਵੰਝੁ ਮਲਾਰੁ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੈ ਕਾ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੁ ॥੪॥ ਇਕੁ ਤਿਲੁ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਲਾਗੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜਲਉ ਜਲਾਵਣੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪੈ ਰਸਾਇ ॥ ਘਟੁ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਅਗਲੋ ਜਮੁ ਪਕੜੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥੫॥ ਮੇਰੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਗਏ ਤਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਕਲਤੁ ਨ ਸਾਥਿ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਧਨੁ ਬਾਦਿ ਹੈ ਭੂਲੋ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਆਥਿ ॥ ਸਾਚਉ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਅਕਥੋ ਕਾਥਿ ॥੬॥ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ਭਵਾਈਐ ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਕਿਉ ਮੇਟੀਐ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਲੇਖੁ ਰਜਾਇ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥੭॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਕੋ ਨਹੀ ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਜੀਉ ਪਰਾਨੁ ॥ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਮਤਾ ਜਲਿ ਬਲਉ ਲੋਭੁ ਜਲਉ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੀਐ ਪਾਈਐ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥੮॥੧੦॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 59}
 

BhagatSingh

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Dear Bhagat singh ji,
I can understand your predicament. Go thru. the first question that is asked and the replies of Surinder ji. I hope you will not find any link.
May be it is her style of writing but it is not impressive.
If you make out something please do tell.
Well first i asked what is Ekomkaar?
Then I asked what I have proved?
U tell me if Surinder ji has answered my questions or not! I dont think she did. I went through her replies but didnt find them.
 

simpy

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isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ] (59-6)
sireeraag mehlaa 1.
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
siqguru pUrw jy imlY pweIAY rqnu bIcwru ] (59-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
satgur pooraa jay milai paa-ee-ai ratan beechaar.
Meeting the Perfect True Guru, we find the jewel of meditative reflection.
mnu dIjY gur Awpxy pweIAY srb ipAwru ] (59-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
man deejai gur aapnay paa-ee-ai sarab pi-aar.
Surrendering our minds to our Guru, we find universal love.
mukiq pdwrQu pweIAY Avgx mytxhwru ]1] (59-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
mukat padaarath paa-ee-ai avgan maytanhaar. ||1||
We find the wealth of liberation, and our demerits are erased. ||1||
BweI ry gur ibnu igAwnu n hoie ] (59-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
bhaa-ee ray gur bin gi-aan na ho-ay.
O Siblings of Destiny, without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom.
pUChu bRhmy nwrdY byd ibAwsY koie ]1] rhwau ] (59-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
poochhahu barahmay naardai bayd bi-aasai ko-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Go and ask Brahma, Naarad and Vyaas, the writer of the Vedas. ||1||Pause||
igAwnu iDAwnu Duin jwxIAY AkQu khwvY soie ] (59-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
gi-aan Dhi-aan Dhun jaanee-ai akath kahaavai so-ay.
Know that from the vibration of the Word, we obtain spiritual wisdom and meditation. Through it, we speak the Unspoken.
sPilE ibrKu hrIAwvlw Cwv GxyrI hoie ] (59-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
safli-o birakh haree-aavlaa chhaav ghanayree ho-ay.
He is the fruit-bearing Tree, luxuriantly green with abundant shade.
lwl jvyhr mwxkI gur BMfwrY soie ]2] (59-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
laal javayhar maankee gur bhandaarai so-ay. ||2||
The rubies, jewels and emeralds are in the Guru's Treasury. ||2||
gur BMfwrY pweIAY inrml nwm ipAwru ] (59-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
gur bhandaarai paa-ee-ai nirmal naam pi-aar.
From the Guru's Treasury, we receive the Love of the Immaculate Naam, the Name of the Lord.
swco vKru sMcIAY pUrY krim Apwru ] (59-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
saacho vakhar sanchee-ai poorai karam apaar.
We gather in the True Merchandise, through the Perfect Grace of the Infinite.
suKdwqw duK mytxo siqguru Asur sMGwru ]3] (59-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
sukh-daata dukh maytno satgur asur sanghaar. ||3||
The True Guru is the Giver of peace, the Dispeller of pain, the Destroyer of demons. ||3||
Bvjlu ibKmu frwvxo nw kMDI nw pwru ] (59-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
bhavjal bikham daraavno naa kanDhee naa paar.
The terrifying world-ocean is difficult and dreadful; there is no shore on this side or the one beyond.
nw byVI nw qulhVw nw iqsu vMJu mlwru ] (59-11, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
naa bayrhee naa tulharhaa naa tis vanjh malaar.
There is no boat, no raft, no oars and no boatman.
siqguru BY kw boihQw ndrI pwir auqwru ]4] (59-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
satgur bhai kaa bohithaa nadree paar utaar. ||4||
The True Guru is the only boat on this terrifying ocean. His Glance of Grace carries us across. ||4||
ieku iqlu ipAwrw ivsrY duKu lwgY suKu jwie ] (59-12, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
ik til pi-aaraa visrai dukh laagai sukh jaa-ay.
If I forget my Beloved, even for an instant, suffering overtakes me and peace departs.
ijhvw jlau jlwvxI nwmu n jpY rswie ] (59-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
jihvaa jala-o jalaavanee naam na japai rasaa-ay.
Let that tongue be burnt in flames, which does not chant the Naam with love.
Gtu ibnsY duKu Aglo jmu pkVY pCuqwie ]5] (59-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
ghat binsai dukh aglo jam pakrhai pachhutaa-ay. ||5||
When the pitcher of the body bursts, there is terrible pain; those who are caught by the Minister of Death regret and repent. ||5||
myrI myrI kir gey qnu Dnu klqu n swiQ ] (59-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
mayree mayree kar ga-ay tan Dhan kalat na saath.
Crying out, "Mine! Mine!", they have departed, but their bodies, their wealth, and their wives did not go with them.
ibnu nwvY Dnu bwid hY BUlo mwrig AwiQ ] (59-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
bin naavai Dhan baad hai bhoolo maarag aath.
Without the Name, wealth is useless; deceived by wealth, they have lost their way.
swcau swihbu syvIAY gurmuiK AkQo kwiQ ]6] (59-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
saacha-o saahib sayvee-ai gurmukh aktho kaath. ||6||
So serve the True Lord; become Gurmukh, and speak the Unspoken. ||6||
AwvY jwie BvweIAY pieAY ikriq kmwie ] (59-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
aavai jaa-ay bhavaa-ee-ai pa-i-ai kirat kamaa-ay.
Coming and going, people wander through reincarnation; they act according to their past actions.
pUrib iliKAw ikau mytIAY iliKAw lyKu rjwie ] (59-15, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
poorab likhi-aa ki-o maytee-ai likhi-aa laykh rajaa-ay.
How can one's pre-ordained destiny be erased? It is written in accordance with the Lord's Will.
ibnu hir nwm n CutIAY gurmiq imlY imlwie ]7] (59-16, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
bin har naam na chhutee-ai gurmat milai milaa-ay. ||7||
Without the Name of the Lord, no one can be saved. Through the Guru's Teachings, we are united in His Union. ||7||
iqsu ibnu myrw ko nhI ijs kw jIau prwnu ] (59-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
tis bin mayraa ko nahee jis kaa jee-o paraan.
Without Him, I have no one to call my own. My soul and my breath of life belong to Him.
haumY mmqw jil blau loBu jlau AiBmwnu ] (59-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
ha-umai mamtaa jal bala-o lobh jala-o abhimaan.
May my egotism and possessiveness be burnt to ashes, and my greed and egotistical pride consigned to the fire.
nwnk sbdu vIcwrIAY pweIAY guxI inDwnu ]8]10] (59-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
naanak sabad veechaaree-ai paa-ee-ai gunee niDhaan. ||8||10||
O Nanak, contemplating the Shabad, the Treasure of Excellence is obtained. ||8||10||


me neech humbly asking for everybodys forgiveness
 

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<<Amar ji
Anyone who is subject to life and Death is not a creator and cannot be a creator. It is the plain assumption that we make while looking at the godhead in sikhi.>>

what if there was no creator and you just manifested your self?
 

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Thanks for referring many Vaaks from Gurdev explaining that there is no difference in God and His creation.
Also we find many occasions in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee when the reverend Gurus suggest singing, praying, worshiping and praising God.
This must explain an understanding from a different conscious level.
Can someone please clear it if this is contradictory or the same thing from the true Gurus aspect?


Balbir Singh
 
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