Gurfateh
Luthra Sahib,
There seesm to be a sort of misunderstanding what Das wants to convey and what you ahve understood and so das is writing it to clearfy.
Dear Vijaya Deep ji
At the outset I must say that only Change is Permanent or Truth is. Every thing else changes even the Atma change body today an Atma in a Sikh tomorrow the same may be Hindu or may be in some one else.
Cahnge is apparant while all is Akal which makes us all and is eternal.
Soul is also relative and hindus misquote holy Gita when they say soul is eternal while as soul is created as spirit and thence destroyed.
Guru Gobind Rai became Guru Gobind Singh, Sri Guru Nanak House adopted path of Sword from fakeeri. Why? to bring a chnge. Stagnant society or economy just rot. Those who change always get on the front.
Das wants you to rember that Sixth Master did pick up sword and Ninth Master became Tegh Bahdur ie brave with blade or sword.
And we have an arte fact of sword of Guru Nanak Dev JI kept at Patna Sahib obtained from Orrisa and as per Sashtra vidya people Guru Nanak Dev Ji himslef was master of weaponary.
Tenth Master did was to bring the change in wider masses and people work started by Akal and being one with Akal.
Das again say that Human cahnge socity and and weak people surrunder to changing times or get subdued.First master did not got subdued to Babber and one day dislodge his rule in the form 0f Twleth ie Khalsa.
Spiritual Political and Social or cultural aspects of life have been changing historically. Sri Guru Nanak Changed the belief of his time and started Sikhi Panth.
This is due to the fault of our people who critinised our faith due to influnes of then protetant rulers.
They did cahnged thier faith to suit the needs of the rulers and thos4e who did not were forced to die(Nihung Hanuman Singh etc.) or to flea in south or conspire covertly but kept there strugle on to change the time.
Guru Maharaj Pratham Patshahi,the First Emperor did not start a new faith as Panth is there since the universe was formed.If we read Sau Sakhi it were Budhists Nandas who forsed idolatory to Primary or Adi Sikhs and cut thier hairs.One creed of Brahmins(here refer to Akal worshippers as it is Said in Guru Granth Sahib Ji),Left India and became forefather of jews.
Guru did preach faith to human kind and those who wanted to be like Guru became Sikh(refer Vaars of bhai Gurdas ie Guru became Sikh and Sikh became Guru).
The evil which was there was due to evil time and again by humans(Guru with GuruSikhs(Sikhs attaining Guruhood spritualy)) does it was act of Akal(the universal System prevalent in and out with a brain) to prove some thing and that is that Akal by self is supreeme.
to be more prisece Akal created Bad and and big Bad and then by weak humans amde that to change into good.
Let us be practical like our Gurus and be modren and open minded to accept the change
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Das has got the root of misunderstadning.
well to change time we need to carry out new acts to let time changes to suit our needs and this is aggressive way.
to change ourself with time is defeansive way and das respect that thing to but does not endrose it.
Today if you need to fight the evil can you fight in the uniform of 14th 16th cetury or you would need the modern warfare and techniques. Do you think the Sikhs in Army should say we are Khalsa give me Kirpan or Khanda to fight. They do not why? because Guru also said get abreast with latest techniques and change over. He knew when he made Lions from the "Sheeps" .
Das is reapeating that useage of Kirpan is still not obsolate and and fianl assult we still use Sangeens our boynats and this reduced the collatral damge especaily if enemy is hidden in civilians.
And when chemical for explosives will be over we can still recyle iron.
but das has got you point but das wants you to read Dasham Granth where not only Cannons and Explosive matter is termed as Mainfestation of God in Shaster Naam Mala Puran but at other places siganls for nuclear energy is writtan.
In fact as Guru worshipped Akal he could trevel in time,which scince is yet to reach.Time itself is realtive facotor what das wants to convey and can be altered and when time machine will be made by sceince(after making any thing moving faster then light or even eqaul to it making time gaoing negative then you could meet Guru Gobind Singh ji and talk on that but this is serious thing Sir!).
Many were then Dalits and with new identity power of Amrit uniform of Khalsa their psyche motivation and attitude changed. We need Chadhdi kala all along in our life many motivational speakers are making millions of Dollars but our Guru Did for free ( I am not comparing but an analogy)
das agree to it but wants to add that Amrit was there since first Master but scale was to be enlarged to change more people in that time frame.
Before that it was Charan Pahul,Corner of Guru Granth Sahib's covering cloath dipped in Water.
Accept the fact Guru Gobind Singh ji established Khalsa to bring change So the very function and need of the Sikh and then Khalsa was to bring Change
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This is correct and das supports it And Guru did bring change and porcess is on by the same Guru Khalsa.
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I am sure we must be progressive with time and change our ways not the values. I am sure you must be travelling in car jet plane etc. if you adopted that change why small change is so difficult.
Resource could be utiliesed to bring change to suit the requirement of humans.Guru did use the canonon brought in by Moghuls to defeat them.To get the gola to change as per needs varouis means can be used.
BUT MEANS ARE NOT THE GOALS.
Even Guru Nanak Dev Ji changed his dress on different udasis.
That was done to let the meantilty of people change but Guru did not changed his faith and articles of faith.He did not take Kuran but his Pothi of Gurbani to Holy Mecca.Dress was mean to change the minds and as result we still have sipleeds with full hairs in Central Iraq.
Expand Sikhi not the Rituals.
some rituals are must to let what is in mind comes on ground also.
Adopt ways for preaching as adopted by Guru nanak Devji who reminded the message behind symbols and rituals like janau without agonising and connected people with him.
Well das knows that Guru told Bhai Mardana never to cut hairs and why did he made own of his rituals.
Yagypweet as per old Sanatan Dharmi scripture was something to dod with good ideas and open to man kind and not only to selected castes.Guru only endroresed the reasons behind that symbolism.
Das finds Janeu still with him in the from of Ghatra.
He defeated them in all arguments and made them accept the real Truth as against Hypocracy. We must today shun that kind of Khalsa Hypocracy.
Many khalsa of today are just Nautankis. ( we see them in here every day) In the garb of Khalsa.
Das appriciate your concerns.
Das just wants to be in Chardi Kala and have faith in akal who uis in all.and have trust in many others you think are doing good.If you find no one then you your self try to be good but as per true spirit of Khalsa never say die.
Das has seen may cases Sikhs fighting against many odds.Many people die and many comrades dies but strugle goes on till last drop of blood.
So if imposters are dieing spritual death then this does not gives us an excuse to commit spritual suicide.
to imporve Panth do not rely on what others do ,think what you can do
On one hand you are saying that Khalsa ws made to change caste System on other hand you say Khalsa is Atal.
to be more clear,Akal is in all and is in Khalsa before it was made with Singh title as by circumstances so far distinctions of inequlities were there.
Khalsa is Atal as being one with Akal person who is Khalsa becomes eternal.But it is capable of changing time.
Atal is faith which we all have with in Khalsa is just a roop confirming that faith with Gurus Mohar (Stamp) like designers. Khalsa is a Designer Sikh very special so keep it special by not "Nautankis" be part of it.
Das agrees to you and know Nautanki people who first give priroty on Amrit and Five Ks and not beholding Akal in all and removail of indivdualistic ego and so we find our lust for indivdual from or dress gors and we find ourself one with the universe and there all changes are apprant and true Akal ie Akkul or unmoving.Punajbis use AkkUli(u is for Chhota a like in but) for brain but in Sadhu Bhasha this is state of salvation while being alive as Akal is in all so no movement as there is no two things in real either nor does space is a realty but a realtive term.
It is important to understand that Living with principles of a Khalsa is more important than just living in the Swaroop of Khalsa without virtues of Khalsa.
101% Agreed.
I would rather chase such Khalsa' as would fail to live like one and dismiss them from the Khalsa hood with a dishonourable discharge. I know it is easy to take Amrit and wear Khalsa uniform but it is highly responsible and difficult to live upto it.
das is from that side of Nirmalas where Amrit or 5ks are not an issue and only few have it but still they respect does who dawn it but you are correct that we must have faith first than appearnace but appreanace is proof of faith which we first had in our mind and did bring it on ground.
whithout faith it is wrong to wear 5Ks.
I happen to know closely three Khalsa One of them was my Grand Father Shahid baba Pratap Singh of Punja sahib and second Late S Hukum Singhji as I knew him,(he was a speaker of Lok sabha in India) and third my Grand mother with whom I lived my all childhood and younger days was a Khalsa.
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Das bows his head to them and to you aas Das knows that you are one of them and is happy to interact with you.
Khalsa is to Live and fight the vices with in and evil outside and by his action promote Sikhi not by preaching. To become Khalsa one need to read Sikh History and to become a Sikh one need to have a touch of Gurbani. But today Khalsa just want others to be Khalsa without being a mentor himself.
We must not forget Dasham Granth and Sarbloh Granth also.
As per Sant Singh Ji Maskeen,We have Duniydar(Grahst or householder or turbanned Hindu least bothered with any thing). Sikh(Jigyasu or one who seeks knwoledge).Singh(Sadhu who works on teaching) and Khalsa(Sant,who gets the state of salvation being Alive or one with Akal).
Many 'Amritdharis' are still dunyadars.
To fit in the world and to face and fight the world as our Gurus we must not dictate others in a way to exclude them but like Sri Guru nanak Dev ji include every one as Gurbani says "Hum Nahin Change Bura Nahi Koye". Stop becoming supeior sikhs just because you are Amritdhari.
Das agains has full support to you.
Symbols are Gifts of Guru and unless we let every one come to "Gurus Sharan" how can they get those gifts and appreciate them.
Guru takes us in Guru's(Akal's) refuge and our attempts are futile.
I may here add that the Guru does not give these Gifts to all unless we beg for and we do not become even worthy of begging unless he gives us inner sttrength to ask for that bowl of Amrit.
What das knows here is that all is by mercy of Akal and Akal does not want all to be one with Akal else why did Akal created universe and Dwait or Duja Bhav there in ie duality of anything else but Akal.
Regarding the Persian Islamic influence in Khalsa Emblem read following:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/cairsjesus.shtml
I’ll start this by a question. What is the symbol of Islam? For who doesn’t know , it’s the crescent (don’t ask me why now, that’s another story.) Another symbol of Islam is the black banner with two crossed swords and the inscription of “La Ellah Ella Allah Wa Muhammad Rasoul Allah” which translate to “No God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.” As for the two swords, you don’t need a translation
Well Allah ho Akabar is 'the God is greatest ' is in Arebic and in farsi it should be Khoda Buzoorg Tareen ast.
Two swords are symbol og British Army,Indian Army,Sakatas use Khanda Shaiv use Trishul and many tribals have similar thiings.Das wanted to prove that Guru did not copy but got from the source ie Akal from where others get.
As regards your views that Sikhi is not like Hinduism, I smell your hatred for people of other religion. Hinduism has not changed people has changed. Religious beliefs remain same people change. If I ask you to say Hari Hari every day you will say why I am Sikh I say Waheguru Waheguru" But Gurbani says " Naam Hari ka Laga Mitha". we go astray from gurbani every day and running after symbols.
Luthra Sahib,Das was a Hindu and why did das wrote is due to some other fact.
hindu was a derogatory remark by pagan parsis(not Shia Muslims).The people who should have called themsleves Arayan(Civilised) or Sanatanis(worshippers of eternal) just started to accept derpgaotry referance as rulers later refered them.That was accepting the defeat and changing with time.One who ruled earth got restriced to hindustan bounded by hindukush(mountains where all hindus were killed(kush)).
there are mnay 'sikhs' who cut there hairs being afraid of jokes of 12 oclock and that is thing to accept the change then to change the things to accepatbilty.
Sikhi is about Freedom of worship just as our Gurus preached and the Sikhism Symbolise _FREEDOM OF WORSHIP. Therefore, I am prepared oppose ANY BHAI, LEADER, KHALSA OR AMRITDHARI WHO Tries to CHANGE THE VERY FOUNDATION OF SRI GURU NANAK DEV JI'S SIKHI-FREEDOM OF WORSHIP
Das knows that Panth talks of salvation by willof Akal and so does worship and how can someone make us to worship as gurbani says 'knows without prayer,in front of whon ashould we pray'.Panth has no room for worship but doing all acts as slvae of Akal.As Akal is doing and we are limbs or tools with no brain but alll things are of Akal.
"HASSANDIYA KHADHANDIYA WICHE HOVEY MUKT"
" BETHAT NAAM SOVAT NAAM"
salutations.
Why cannot we accept that Guru Gobind Singh Ji had an option to include the Dress Code of Khalsa etc. in the Guru Granth Sahib but he did not. Why?
he did it in Sarbloh Granth and in Dasham Granth lator on his things were added.Main reason for his not including his bani in Guru Granth Sahib and making other writing was due to two reasons.
1. Adi Guru Darbar was to be made too voluminous.
2. other sects like Dheermias,Meenas,Ramrays,Masands etc. wanted to misqoute term Nanak in Adi Guru Darbar as one with God.Like in mool Mantra Say(noot Says as Akal is telling Nanak to say) Nanak will(Akal) be true was could be treated as Nanak will be true.
but Tenth Master was to reaffirm Akal is only source and there were a few Ihlaams(Godly verse which did not addressed Nanak) But in Book and writing of Guru never did he sued his or Nanak name but referd to Akal as saying.
because he knew that with time Cultures, Politics, Society and fashion changes. It was never his intention to hold his Khalsa in the time capsule.
Thing can be said that folllwoing Sabad Guru as per Guru Granth Sahihb can be mere time depeanded or traping Sikhs in time capsule inspite of Mool Mantra Saying Akal is timeless entiy(Akal Murat).
It is only due to Adi Guru Darbar purism that such things come.
Only Glorification of God and the permanent Truths of life are in the Guru Granth Sahib.
This itslef is capsualtion of God in one book or tieing Akal with a book.like promises are from Allah misquoted in holy Kuran or Testmeants by God in holy bible.
Adi Guru Darbar was made by Akal and anything which is created can be destroyed be it book what matters is an ideaology as you told before.
Bounding ourself to a book is similar to ritualism of 5ks or amrit without underastaning idealogy.Das just want you read Bani of Tenth Master.
in his Maryada for five Ks he used term Bashad in Farsi and not Bood or ast ie Bashad is in Present and Futre while Ast is present and Bood is in past.
It sates marks of Sikhi are Five keys and in there not going to be forgivne.There names are given.without Hairs other four (Bangle,Sword,Shorts and Comb) are uselss.I(Guru) say this with no conflict with privous code(this means code was there before writng this).
Huaqqa,shaving and Halal are forbiddan and appying Hinna is like balckednin the face.
As per Sau Sakhi Damdami beer was laready made before Gurus leaving Anandpur Sahib this means that Guru did intend to write other books as our guide and Guru Granth Sahib Ji of oldest version was to brought from Dheermaliyas just to not let them misquote them.
He ( GOD) never changes and our love for Him should never change. "Dharti" earth also Changes. we are just humans.
if we are Khalsa and one with Akal we like Akal can change anything.As then we is not us but Akal but mercy of that Akal is needed.
I hope I have addressed all your concerns and HAVE made it quite clear what I am tryinng to say.
I am neither against Khalsa nor Keshadhari - because I am one.
I am for freedom of worship.
To save the institution of Khalsa it should be checked that people wearing Khalsa Uniform Behaves and follow its Code and Ethics. ecourage Khalsa to be part of United nation. Every Sikh Family should feel it a matter of pride if their loved one is a Khalsa and inservice of Humanity world wide. Be real Akal Purukh Ki Fauj not by Just Singing your glories every day with in the precincts of Gurudwara.
May Sri Guru Nanak grant us sumat
Sir! Das is soory if worng is writtan but das is misunderstood as Devine Seantive has thought of him.
As das told you before Das is at your side but we nned not have to see iles opf others but try to be in high spirit by seeing goods of other and if others is not good to be found then we can improve ourselves but by mercy of Akal as we and you are realtive terms.
Das thanks you for reply and seeks your guidance in future but motive of das is to let Panth be in high spirit and by the acts of hypocrtic imposters true people like you must not be defensive but be in higher spirit.
Das is again soory if inappropriate words are said and das hopes that you him forgive him.
REGARDS
HP LUTHERA
