Did this Sikh girl simply get what she deserved for her stupidity? This article was written by a nonSikh doctor.
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Ok...my take on this problem is as follows:
Sikhism is a relatively young religion (compared to Chirtianity, Islam and Hinduism). All religions have to go through litmus test. Christianity and Islam have gone through this test. Hinduism was in danger for more than 1000 years (Since 1000 AD till 1800s), when India was attacked and ruled by Moghuls. With each test, each of these religions have become more mature, with the followers taking their religion more seriously.
Sikhism has also gone through many tests in its relatively shorter history. The Moghul rulers of India tried to eliminate Sikhism. Sikhi passed that test in flying colors but at the cost of countless Sikh lives. Only those Sikhs passed the test who were strong enough to carry Sikhi forward. Weak sikhs either just disappeared or mingled with the rest of the population. Call it the "Survival of the fittest"
Sikhism today is again passing through a test. It must pass again with flying colors. All those whom you see around are weak Sikhs. They will and should just disappear from the Sikh community. Ironically, it is better for the Sikhi future. Only those who have the courage will remain "true" Sikhs.
So, instead of becoming "confused", be "strong". Instead of "blaming" parents or your relatives, "pity" them, as they are going to miss the train of Sikhi of the future.
Regards,
It seems you could also read up a little bit on how the Guru's believed women were equal to men. Your comment about how she "probably saw some muscles and got all excited" shows that your attitudes towards women and the complexity of their beings are little better than the man that poor girl was with. And women are not emptyheaded things to be protected and it is foolish to imply that only men make sacrifices and women just walk around stupidly until "sikh guys...make [them] aware" of what is going on.
i see all kinds of remarks happening now and also for the last thousands years for the couple who fall in love regardless of the differences of relegions or race where one is coming from.. when as a teen or older folks fall in love one do not see the relegion or colors of the person. love is a God. period. For any kind of love one needs to sacrifice. imagin a person who fall in love knowingly about what relegion they come from is not only for the musles or other attractions but to be togethere regardless of back ground. it defenily hurt the community by witnessing the meeting person who is moslim whose ancestors did great damages to indian citizen but this is not a two people's fault to be deprive of the natural feelings.
dear jaspi
in 90% cases it is not love but just plain attraction.tell me why majority of time love happens between handsome men and beautiful women.is love resereved for handsome men and beautiful women.also please tell me why love marriages are less successful than arranged marriages.
thanks.kds. please understand thier is a great differences in infatuation and love. apart from them i am talking about love regardless of any one's look or differences.
also when both get married from diffrent sect then the childern must be sikg and moslem. just good human being . jaspi
People are people no matter what religion they are born into. It is wrong to stereotype them. If there is anything to learn from Gurbani, it is that all people are created equal, regardless of where they come from and that there are many paths to God and living a godly life. Being born Muslim does not make you a criminal or an abusive person any more than being born a Sikh means you will be a saint. And being able to embrace people of other faiths in this way is part of what makes having Sikh roots so unique.
It seems you could also read up a little bit on how the Guru's believed women were equal to men. Your comment about how she "probably saw some muscles and got all excited" shows that your attitudes towards women and the complexity of their beings are little better than the man that poor girl was with. And women are not emptyheaded things to be protected and it is foolish to imply that only men make sacrifices and women just walk around stupidly until "sikh guys...make [them] aware" of what is going on.
It seems you are very proud of being a Sikh, but don't embrace what it actually means. It's not just a heritage, it's a religion with actual meaning. Why don't you try practicing some of that tolerance and compassion that our Gurus spent their lives teaching.
Anybody who can blindly stereotype an entire group of people as bad, evil, or stupid has already made the first step towards the terrorism and violence that creates this enmity. Dehumanizing other people is the first step in your heart that allows you to think it is okay to step all over others, to demean them, to abuse them, to kill them. If you think that you are doing this in defense of Sikhism, then you have missed the entire point of what it is you are trying to defend.
dear jaspi
your posts are too much theoritical rather than practical.the fact is one person cannot be muslim and a sikh at a time.according to islam mohammed was last prophet and nobody could speak divine words after it.and sikhs beleive that our guru's spoke divine words. if one parent will teach kid that mohammed was last prophet and other parent will teach kids that guru granth sahib is living guru so children will grow up in confused environment rather than religious environ ment.
So you think the girl done a good thing by opening her mind and embracing this twit into her life? Is this what you think the Guru's meant by respecting others? You may be being naieve and simplistic. On the ground level, when you get away from all your idealism all sorts of dark nonsense is going on. It is a fact that some members of other communities are targeting Sikh girls because they have a reputation (in the U.K. at least) that is not very positive and that I do not want to repeat here. They generally have good reason for the stereotype as the girls seem to fall for the same nonsense again and again. What are you doing to help?
Look those girls are plain dumb. It is usually obvious to everyone around them that they are in a bad situation but they refuse to listen until it is too late. I don't see Jewish women having this problem. Why us? What is making them particularly target Sikh girls.....the answer is an ugly truth that we have to face up in order to solve in my opinion. As sad as it is.
I think you are living in lala land. Sikh history isn't just limited to our great Gurus. There are lessons to learn throughout. Those Khalsa warriors in the 1700s weren't the "lets all be friends with everyone" type your suggesting. They sacrificed in droves and gave us freedom. They drew lines when required and protected them. And READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY because I think you are missing something REALLY IMPORTANT. I'm NOT the one who is trying to ruin girls from other races...DO YOU GET THAT? Before you start pointing your finger and getting all emotional remember this is something that sections of certain other communities have been doing for some time now. Take that in your pipe and smoke it.
Now I think you really need to study your history carefully. Sikhs weren't the ones going around and taking peoplees religious freedoms away, murdering children and women, making slaves etc. You know let me tell you one other thing...ALL of the many dumbass girls I've seen who've ended up getting screwed in one way or another like this, have ALL come out with EXACTLY the same bollox that you are repeating. Thank Waheguru you're not here.
Look are you simple? People are doing stuff like that to our people and you sit around condemning me!!!!
women are not fools but they much are more emotional than men that's why some men do take advantage of this.i have a question to you and all sikh girls that in 99% cases when they marry in other religion why they just leave sikhism.they don't even make their kids sikhs.is sikhism such a burden on them that they just want to get out of this.on the other hand when sikh boys marry girls of other religions they don't leave their religion they make
their kids sikh.why can't sikh girls firmly say to their non sikh boyfriends that they are not going to convert and they will make their kids sikh.
Look those girls are plain dumb. It is usually obvious to everyone around them that they are in a bad situation but they refuse to listen until it is too late. I don't see Jewish women having this problem. Why us? What is making them particularly target Sikh girls.....the answer is an ugly truth that we have to face up in order to solve in my opinion. As sad as it is.
Veer Ji, surely don't believe this do you....if you did then maybe all Sikh men should spend more time at the gym and less time in the pub.Probably saw some muscles and got all excited...poor girl
KDS1980 Ji
Although I am married (to a Sikh), my theory on this is that when a girl gets married to someone of another faith, more than likely she is disowned by her own parents. Therefore if she then lives with her husband she may adopt his faith.
Any girl who accepts an abuser into her life has a problem and has made a bad decision. But don't pretend that all abusive men are Muslims or that no Sikhs are abusive men.
dear mkaur ji
this is not true.in india a lot of sikh girls marry hindu's and majority of them are never disowned by their parents.my own cousin sister married a hindu and she has 2 daughters.my cousin was once very religious but now she cuts her hair her daughters though very small don't have any sikh names and also have cut hairs.on the other hand my other chacha is married to hindu woman and their children are now sikhs.sometimes i feel despite giving freedom to girls sikhism is just a burden on girls that's why they just abandon it easily.why can't they firmly say to their non sikh boyfriends that " i will make my children sikhs if you agree with it then it is fine or you go your way and i am going my way"
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KDS1980 that was just my thought on the matter. However it does seem from your post that again women are leaving their religion. We talk about women having freedom and their equal status to men, but in practice how is true is that?
mkaurji
i agree with you that our society infact the whole world never gave women the respect they deserve.perhaps the male ego is too big to give them equal status.fortunately i was born in a family where boys and girls are treated equally.btw what equality means to you because i totaly disagree with the feminist point of view of equality.
Look, I'm not for minute saying that all Sikh girls are dumb. I've met so many that are loyal to their roots and are an asset to the quam.
What I am saying is that certain girls are acting in a stupid way by involving themselves with guys that obviously hate Sikhs and that use the girls to make some sort of pathetic strike at the panth.
It isn't right to try and blame guys for all of the woes that befall the community. People have to take responsibility for their own actions in the end.
I agree that as a community we could do a better job of imparting our heritage and a Sikh worldview to our youth. This is something I've always tried to do and promoted. What more should I do? I was never taught more than the basics from my family, I had to learn the rest myself, sometimes at odds with what was being taught by my elders.
You are right in saying that Sikh guys should spend more time at the gym, alot that I know do. Others hide behind their own version of spirituality and avoid anything physically risky behind this, I think this is plain cowardice as well as blantantly against Khalsa philosophy.
In the end you shouldn't be trying to push your views on me Amandeep, you are just adding to the problem by pushing your "western feminist" views around. i.e. blaming men for everything. Sikh women have to take responsibility for their actions themselves. Instead like Amandep they blame the stupid actions of some females on guys. Besides If they don't raise sons that are strong, brave and proactive then they are just as guilty as the guys who are too scared to protect their sisters. Anyway, plenty of Sikh guys I know aren't that way at all so......
Very true, but in our parents time they had no choice about who they ended up with generally so I can understand why some of them ended up with abusive husbands. When girls go out and choose an idiot like this of their own free will........plain old dumb to me.....
Lets not argue any more. I just made some points because it is somewhat annoying to see what is going on. Sikh men, with all of their faults (and I would agree that there may be many), have still made a generally good reputation for themselves wherever they have landed. As soldiers, citizens, construction workers they are generally a positive force wherever they go. Most nations in the west with a sizable Sikh population recognise this in some way. The Sikh mans hard work ethic has taken him a long way.
But you are right in your analysis MKAUR - more education is needed. But lack of cultural awareness still isn't an excuse for sluttish sell out behaviour that SOME girls exhibit, bringing the rest of us down. Don't defend it Amandeep, condemn it.
Did this Sikh girl simply get what she deserved for her stupidity?