Re: Sikh Girls Who Do Not Cut Their Head Hair, But Remove All Other Hair on Their Bod
Dear Singh ji, Bhagatsingh ji
I have now read all pages of this thread along with the link provided by Bhagatsingh ji. The paper that is written in the link is only a theory relating to mans social acceptance through perception of hair and relates to men, it states that a man with long hair is seen as one who is free and not a slave to modern sociaty, based on this one could assume then that Guru Gobing Singh ji was telling Sikhs to make this statement.
I thought that article explained why men started cutting their hair. When you realize why all this hair cutting began you will understand why the bolded text above is true. Its important to look at history to obtain this wisdom and that's exactly what the article does. Saying that its about perception of male hair is an understatement for that article.
Tony ji the thing is that Muslims, when converting someone, would cut their hair (I don't know if they still do that). The keeping of unshorn hair (the hukam) was a slap in the face of conversion.
It also states that it is only natural for children and women that are free from facial hair, Not true if one looks around(Flaud statement).
Well, children and women generally don't have a beard or a moustache, and men generally do. i don't think its flawed, its a general statement.
Body hair is a throw back to our ancient ancestory and our having it or not is based on our genetics. Most africans, aboriginies and native south americans have very little body hair, while most white europeans still have quite alot, Thus it can be assumed that it is a climatic responce by our genes. Our genes are affected by many things including what we eat, the intake of chemicals has major impact on them including predispsotion to cancer ( a major concern) To extra hair growth ( a not so major concern to men). So is this Gods work or mans interverance in what is natural.
Depends on how you want to look at it. I could say man does it, but then God is the almighty so its under him. Someone will say humans have a choice, others will say we don't... bla bla bla
Now Singh ji you mentioned Hukam, It appears to me as a relatively newcomer to Sikhism that members of the Khalsa panth are very good at Following the tenth Gurus Hukam but not quite so Good at following Guru Nanaks jis Hukam, in that they still have caste system, Dowry system and many other Panjabi cultural practises.
Both Guru Nanak's message and Guru Gobind Singh's message was consistent.
If that is true, Khalsa seems like its an inconsistency, doesn't it? Well, Khalsa is a discipline for armies. You have to put it into historical context. Why was there a need for Khalsa? To fight oppression with sword. Guru Nanak was already fighting with words. Guru Gobind Singh needed soldiers. he needed the common folk to fight with him! He needed to turn farmers, merchants, etc into fierce and deadly warriors
The amrit sanchar, the hukams, the uniform, the change of names, last names, did just that!
Guru Nanak ji said all are equal yet many still frown on my partner when she is with me with many comments from younger Sikhs saying that people should stick to their own, even on this forum (no equality there) I believe in one God and do not attempt to give him description unlike some who believe Nanak ji was God, I awake in the morning and fill my mind with thoughts of God, I think of God in all I do, I treat all people with the same respect and as my equals be they tramps or lords, I do not see myself as a slave to the system having no value of my worldly goods, Believing that my only valubles that i posses is my love for God and all Gods creations, I look for the beauty in all people that i meet and do my best to control my anger although not always succeeding but still im getting better. I do my best to be a good Sikh, Yet when i go to my local shop the Sikh gentleman there looks down on me and has never once greeted me as a Sikh (he his held in high esteem by the local Sikh community), So it appears to me that many of the Khalsa panth believe that they are better Sikhs than the none turban wearing Sikhs which is a clear breach of the first Guru jis Hukam.
So as you have a greater knowledge of the Guru Granth Sahib ji than me knowing what is Hukam could you please explain this retention of panjabi culture to me as i cant find it in the Granth anywhere, could you also please explain knowing now how i conduct my dialy life why a Khalsa Sikh should treat me in this way and why if Sikhs believe in equality do they frown on my relationship with a panjabi girl. I am not accusing you personally of this but am asking a knowledgeable Sikh for Help then i might be able to understand the importance of hair.
Tony
You know Khalsa can be considered sort of like a club. You are initiated, you are given a uniform and a new identity. And you know how sometimes, people who think similarly, will look down upon people who don't think like them? That's whats going on.
People in groups dont tend to encourage differences. it leads to the phenomenon called
group think. Look it up.
Khalsa actually falls in that category. It was never meant to encourage differences. But it does come down to people who are in this group. They can choose to encourage different ideas or they can choose to suppress them. Punjabi culture may have to do with this. Children are discouraged when they ask questions. Asking "Why?" is almost considered a slap to the face. Those are my observations on Punjabi culture.
