vijaydeepsingh,
>>>>We are told to not to disrespect the faith of others and can say idolaltor or worshipper
of demigods without image also may get salvation by will of our Akal God but these idols have
been weakness of your forefather and lead to often divisions in you and ultimate defeat, and
process is still on in Bengal,Srii lankaKashmeer ,Pakistan etc
.<<<<
Then how come we can continue to call idolatory fooloish. We may not agree with it
but don't you think we need to remember that for those who indulge in idol worship
it's very important. Just as the lenght of the 'kachcha' is for the Khalsa Sant Sipahi.
Read
Bro if some one is foolsih say a child is eating mud,and we tell him or her to do not act foolish then it may not mean that we disrespect him or her
Coming to Kacherha matter ,rember people you are tlaking about only are small part of us.Say if hindu breaks idol so should das tell you also to break idol and still calll your self Hindu?
>>>>Guru told about Hindus worshipping stone,These stone worshipper have mind
like stone and one day my Khalsa will break thier Devals and idols (Sau Sakhi).<<<<
What about 'modi khana' ?? And say, is not the Golden Temple made of the same stone
the Hindu idol is made of. I see no difference except a Gurudwara is a Rs. crores+ stone idol
and the Hindu idol costs few hundred and could be carried anywhere in ones pocket.
Even to the toilet. Why they even sell Geeta on the gutter-side book stores.
Can the Neo-Sikh match that ??
Bro
Das has hear about modi Khana thing from you only otherwise das even did not know about it nor was ever thought.
Darbar Sahihb which is not a blody Temple but more like a Church as still in mnay of your temples lower castes are not allowed(there too in past theu wewre not allowed tilllw e did not throw out the idols in to durgiana)and even White Hindu convert recently still was not allowed in your temple in orrrisa,And she had Hindu husband.Brothers wfie of das is also Hindu converted from Rusian orthodox and can you let any such reform happen in your Temples.
Values of Gold of that Church is more in the eys of greedy people and so far the offfering.
but you need to understand that Guru Gobinid Singh Ji never visisted that Darbar Sahib.
That value das or nay Khalsaa has for place or obeject ,what are you talking man.
Say if nation or mnakind will be in trouble,Sikhs will ot hestate to remove gold from there and stone from there to serve them.
But how many of your Hindus have taken mony from Pandit of Katari oh sorry Trupati Ji,where still nearby missioaniers are up to convert most of the lower caste say Gilur Taluka of Praksaham District or say Cuddappa.
look for your own introspection before commenting on others.
>>>> is not that shamefull when Holy Veda states that God has no image and we put life
in image by Pran Pratishata. <<<<
What's wrong with that. I don't even know what exactly it means but one thing I do know
that all life is the outcome of the configuration of matter.
Besides the Veda's say many things.
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]"Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti".[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif](There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways).[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]- - -The Rig Veda - - -[/FONT]
Das give you full in sanskrit
Devo na Partimah
and Pursh Evad Sravada,when Akal is in all and no image then why to defyTruth.
As per our Guru during Satiyuga ,in world(Brahma Varta) only worship of Akal was done.Idol worship is mark of kaliyug.
Idolatory is more from jains and budhsit which has made you weak and you still want to stick to your weakness.
bro problem is that you do not know what Pandits say in mantra and some time they also do n ot know what they say.
Same is true for some Sikhs but had either of them understand the meaning then idolatory be it of idol ofr be it of Guru Granth Sahib Ji will stop.Even if Sanatan Dharmi scriputre are read and understood.
if you feed stone idol and will feel increae in ego and fulfilment of duty towards creator.
Gurmat tells us to see Creaotr in creation and serve creation insted.
1. be fair in busness.
2.serve world as Akal is in world.
Be it idol or Birh just ritualism towrads that is wrong.(das is givng excretps from what Tenth Master said to Hindus in Mela or fair of Kurukshetra and they are as per oral tradtions of Sans and later recored in Sau Sakhi).
Crux as folows
Many idols and many differnt Gods so unity of various races or region may not occur.
Das wants ot say that even your demigods may fight themselves.
Vishnu was defeated by Shiv Bhakt Dadhichi and Krishna defeated Shiva in war of Banasur.
Das saw Vaishnav Bramin refused to enter Shivalaya in Andhra while das use to go there in evening to meditate.
Idol is limted and can be broken and moral can go low.God which is limitless can not be broken and gives us limitless power if we think of that.
If you want that can help you how.
Rember hwta Das is saying is here since the time of Lord Rama and Krishna and due to Budhists and Jains Nam Abhyas and Hinsa was taken away from Aryans and they became iodlators Hindus.
In Pran Prtishta devotee gives life to demigod in idol.Is that not non sense and makes God weak.
We have many examples of idol wroshippers gaining Salvation but thing here is that with idolaroty can we be able to let our coming generation also attain salvation or wil they be left away from Dharam,They may change one idol into cross or Mecca and fiaht wll be weaken.
Only one God can unite humanity.InPast whole world was ruled by Arya(Civilsed) and was called Brahmavarta(enciralement of matter) but due to varity of Gods did unity was broken and Aryans were elmianted.
Hindu term in fact only symbolsysis the defeat of restrction to indus only.We have to regain what we have Lost but for that we have to go for that one God of Vedas.
That only clrely writtan in Veda is Indra,Varuna or Yama etc.
Even Rudra or Ganpati of Veda is same God but you make image of the same and make same factor of unity as factor of division,yet want to retain it.
If you want even for one try to think of that God who is everywehre in all in you and out of you with full concentration.Even think that you demigod is not restricted to one form but has been in whole of the forms.Just for onces and then tell das about your expiriance.
The way toys by children are behold to be true and samller books in child hood are tolrated so we can tolrate idols and demigods but thing here is that we are been told that such things are OK.Only for that who has so far not met Khalsa.
Thanks.
NASADIYA
The creation Hymn of the Rig Veda
There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
What stirred?
Where?
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottlemlessly deep?
There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.
Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.
Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.
Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.
Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?
Whence this creation has arisen
perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps even He does not know.
