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Well, never meant to offend any religious sentiments.
But what transpires behind curtains is an open secret, isn't it?
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Sunny Leone Should Be Excommunicated?
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Well, never meant to offend any religious sentiments.
But what transpires behind curtains is an open secret, isn't it?
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Aristotleji
Your post was everything I expected from you, straight to the point.
I do however take issue with you on one point
The hate, violence and anger that surrounds what happened at Sirhind, to me, is a bigger transgression than sleeping with the enemy.
Other than that, I have started to look forward to your posts hugely, we could be twins!
Your post was everything I expected from you, straight to the point.
I do however take issue with you on one point
The hate, violence and anger that surrounds what happened at Sirhind, to me, is a bigger transgression than sleeping with the enemy.
Other than that, I have started to look forward to your posts hugely, we could be twins!
aristotle
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Well, at this point, I seriously don't know which History book to trust.
But what I have always visualized about Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadur is a man full of love and compassion, unflinching in his Gurmat principle. If there were hate towards a community or people, probably the Rauza Sharif or the numerous old Muslim mausoleums wouldn't be standing tall in Sirhind or Fatehgarh Sahib even today. Probably, our religious history scholars need a little brushing up on that matter.
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Well, at this point, I seriously don't know which History book to trust.
But what I have always visualized about Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadur is a man full of love and compassion, unflinching in his Gurmat principle. If there were hate towards a community or people, probably the Rauza Sharif or the numerous old Muslim mausoleums wouldn't be standing tall in Sirhind or Fatehgarh Sahib even today. Probably, our religious history scholars need a little brushing up on that matter.
History records that he managed to split the Khalsa, he was an incredible human being, and if brushing up exposes the events at Sirhind as a lie, no one will be more pleased than me.
Surely the only true King ever to rule in the style of King was the Tenth Master.
aristotle
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Can't agree more.
There are a lots of things to be discussed here from the revived thread. I will discuss a few here and will pitch in when the need arises.
Japjishaib 04 ji writes:
Ganika is used as a metaphor for a person who falls off the way.
According to srigranth.org, it is used 6 times in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and interestingly 3 times by Guru Teg Bahadur, our 9th Guru, all in the verses of rahao.
http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=english
Of course, Ganika is a feminine gender linguistically speaking but as per Gurbani as it is used as a metaphor, it is referred to any person of any gender who has veered off from the Gurmat path..
Gurbani acknowledges the belief of reincarnation but also urges us to follow the Gurmukh path in order to get rid of this nonsensical belief. If one does not, then this non-gurmat belief continues in one’s mind while alive because no one knows what happens after death.
So, Ganika is neither a joon nor a profession according to Gurbani but one’s bad deeds like of a prostitute.
Japjisahib ji, you are mixing apples with oranges here. All the above are tangible organs whereas prostitution is an intangible character flaw. It is a service rendered which is quite different from your given examples.
One more important thing to notice is that if we take the word Ganika in its literal form, then this is a service rendered to another “Ganika”, in this case a male. Hence both become Ganikas.
Tejwant Singh
Japjishaib 04 ji writes:
Ganika is used as a metaphor for a person who falls off the way.
According to srigranth.org, it is used 6 times in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and interestingly 3 times by Guru Teg Bahadur, our 9th Guru, all in the verses of rahao.
http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=english
Of course, Ganika is a feminine gender linguistically speaking but as per Gurbani as it is used as a metaphor, it is referred to any person of any gender who has veered off from the Gurmat path..
Gurbani acknowledges the belief of reincarnation but also urges us to follow the Gurmukh path in order to get rid of this nonsensical belief. If one does not, then this non-gurmat belief continues in one’s mind while alive because no one knows what happens after death.
So, Ganika is neither a joon nor a profession according to Gurbani but one’s bad deeds like of a prostitute.
Japjisahib ji, you are mixing apples with oranges here. All the above are tangible organs whereas prostitution is an intangible character flaw. It is a service rendered which is quite different from your given examples.
One more important thing to notice is that if we take the word Ganika in its literal form, then this is a service rendered to another “Ganika”, in this case a male. Hence both become Ganikas.
Tejwant Singh
SGGS Ji HAS references about not indulging in persons other than your wife/husband.
Secondly... SGGS Ji does not give a list... of do and dont's. It is holy book for people so one will always find daily life references.
The poetic lines are there as guide... We can not go in semantics.... and bring out a totally different meaning of SGGS Ji
Gurbani is universal. Each and every pankti applies to every human beings whether married or non married. If I accept your version and understanding of gurbani then how would you applies those pankties to non married.
bests regards
sahni
bests regards
sahni
AngloSikhPeace
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Excommunicate someone who hasn't taken amrit?
If they can do that, they should do KPS Brar, Gill, Badal and co before moving on to some virtually unknown prostitute lady.
If they can do that, they should do KPS Brar, Gill, Badal and co before moving on to some virtually unknown prostitute lady.
Pls. try not to use the term "prostitute'. And we have no right to judge or condemn anyone.
For those sitting on high pedestals, I would like to quote Madame de Beauvoir, philosopher, author of THE SECOND SEX and a very close friend of Jean-Paul Satre, who defined marriage as 'legalized prostitution".
AngloSikhPeace
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Isn't that what the article about?
Or is she a pornography star or something?
Anyway, the is the least of the list of people who you would expect to get excommunicated. She's never killed anyone.
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your commenting without actually knowing? try reading the first post, before we become as guilty as those that think we look like terrorists.
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gentlemen let us continue if you wish
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I agree with this.
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For the record:
I don't think she is a bad person. I don't know her personally, so I will not judge her in that regard.
I also know what it feels like when people say you are a bad Sikh. I grew up with cut hair, and I would often get called out by amritdharis at gurdwara. Their only qualification was that they drank the "nectar" had long hair. That somehow gave them the authority to look down on everyone else. Ironically, those same people are now openly leading "unholy" lifestyles.
When I was young, I knew an amritdhari family friend who used to lock us in his room and show us dirty pictures. He then made us comment on each one. Apparently, he got a kick out of it. Everyone thought he was the golden boy, lol if only they knew...
I avoid going to gurdwara because it is full of hypocrites. They are quick to judge you based on your appearance, but they are the ones with filthy souls. Nobody goes to gurdwara for enlightenment. They just go to socialize, gossip and eat langar.
That being said, there has to be more to being a Sikh than simply being born into a Sikh family. If we don't practice what we preach, then we are all hypocrites. That goes for the fake amritdharis out there as well.
I don't think she is a bad person. I don't know her personally, so I will not judge her in that regard.
I also know what it feels like when people say you are a bad Sikh. I grew up with cut hair, and I would often get called out by amritdharis at gurdwara. Their only qualification was that they drank the "nectar" had long hair. That somehow gave them the authority to look down on everyone else. Ironically, those same people are now openly leading "unholy" lifestyles.
When I was young, I knew an amritdhari family friend who used to lock us in his room and show us dirty pictures. He then made us comment on each one. Apparently, he got a kick out of it. Everyone thought he was the golden boy, lol if only they knew...
I avoid going to gurdwara because it is full of hypocrites. They are quick to judge you based on your appearance, but they are the ones with filthy souls. Nobody goes to gurdwara for enlightenment. They just go to socialize, gossip and eat langar.
That being said, there has to be more to being a Sikh than simply being born into a Sikh family. If we don't practice what we preach, then we are all hypocrites. That goes for the fake amritdharis out there as well.
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SAT SRI AKAAL,
"GURU's BANI"
"TRUTH FULL" Living
One is never tight lipped, and is inside out, never out of expression.
GURU's Well described all the ways of earning livelihood
Cutting Animal, Prostitution, Stealing, Yogis, Magicians, Dacoits, etc
Sikh were also shown the path of "TRUTHFULL" Living
"LUST" falls on all humans,
if "ONE" approves the way, one perform the action accordingly.
Only who has done cleansing of mind, of ingress of "Lust" thought may have authority to excommunicate.
One make laws for Others,
As Lord Ram,
but when it comes to own wife, one has to follow same LAW as " Maryada of Pursh Uttam:" and may one regrets.
This is learning from religion. It's not about hardaware, its about software which operates.
But until and unless one is using "MANMAT" one is intoxicated by nature itself and performs actions under "intoxication"
Unaware about happenings of mind, and is self willed manmukh.
Till one seeks the way of "TRUTHFUL LIVING" as "Learner"
But again "MORTAL" has no power to do so.
Bhul Chuk Maaf
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
aristotle
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aristotle
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