Unfortunately,you distracted the attention from main topic-'mysogynistic male control freaks'.It is clear from social research that MOST women opt for LESBIAN orientation due to physical or mental abuse by men,one cannot deny that unless one is stubborn.Regarding natural tendency for being a lesbian,research is controversial,because all genes regulating our behaviour have NOT been identified yet.We cannot definitely say at moment that whether some women are born to be lesbians or the enviornmental factors(including abuse)lead to lesbian orientation through epigenetic changes or some undiscovered phenomenan.lol
I'm sorry brother, I don't mean to offend, but your words remind me of the President of Iran who said once while visiting the US, "There are no gays in Iran, we don't have this phenomenon" and I couldn't help myself!
I can categorically tell you that lesbianism is not a result of sexual abuse. It is a valid sexual orientation for many women that they are born with, not chosen or conditioned by later experiences.
Lesbianism is not a mental disorder. If you read peer-reviewed studies in sexuality, you will see that it is the way nature makes some women. Homosexuality can also be found in the animal kingdom.
BTW Sikhi is fortunate to be probably the ony religion on earth which doesn't explicitly refer to homosexuality at all in its sacred scriptures, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, so pray tell me where this prejudice towards homosexuals is coming from? It certainly isn't from Sikhi.
harry haller is a typical stupid westerner.
harry haller is a typical stupid westerner.
It is your ego that offends you,because in your biography you have written that you are proud to be westerner.Please read CAREFULLY my reply to your post in The Current State of Sikhism in the West and notice that I do realize social problems in Punjab,as I concluded that if situation is bad in Punjab it is worse in west,as per results from social research.
Regarding your concept of 'mysogynistic male control freaks',I would say they are much more common in west as studies show that every 1 in 4 women in west experience domestic violence as consequence high divorce rate and many of these victims opt for LESBIAN orientation.Research has shown that LESBIANISM is mainly a consequence of domestic violence or egotism(extreme feminism),thus, it is not natural but a mental disorder.In general lesbians are not found in Punjab,only exceptional cases may be there.
more respect.
ਗਨਕਾ - ganakā - गनका
ਸੰ. ਗਣਿਕਾ. ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਵੇਸ਼੍ਯਾ. ਕੰਚਨੀ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਗਣਿਕਾ. ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਦੋ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਗ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ. ਇੱਕ ਪਿੰਗਲਾ, ਜੋ ਰਾਜਾ ਜਨਕ ਦੀ ਪੁਰੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਸੀ. ਇੱਕ ਰਾਤ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਕਾਮੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਨਾ ਮਿਲਿਆ. ਅੱਧੀ ਰਾਤ ਵੀਤਣ ਪੁਰ ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਪਛਤਾਵਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਅਤੇ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਇਤਨਾ ਧ੍ਯਾਨ ਅਤੇ ਪਿਆਰ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਵੱਲ ਜੋੜਦੀ, ਤਦ ਕੇਹਾ ਉੱਤਮ ਫਲ ਹੁੰਦਾ. ਉਸੇ ਵੇਲੇ ਸਭ ਕੁਕਰਮ ਛੱਡਕੇ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਪਰਾਇਣ ਹੋਈ ਅਤੇ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਜੀਵਨ ਵਿਤਾਇਆ. ਇਸੇ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਨੂੰ ਦੱਤਾਤ੍ਰੇਯ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਲਪਿਆ ਸੀ.
"ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਪਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਲੁਭਤੁ ਕੁੰਚਰੁ ਗਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ." (ਕੇਦਾ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ).
ਦੂਜੀ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਹ ਸੀ, ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਸੇ ਸਾਧੂ ਨੇ ਤੋਤਾ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਹਰਿਨਾਮ ਸਿਖਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਹ ਨਾਮਅਭ੍ਯਾਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਲੱਗਕੇ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰਾਤਮਾ ਹੋ ਗਈ. "ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ." (ਬਸੰ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੫) "ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਨਕਾ ਸੀ ਉਧਰੀ." (ਸੋਰ ਮਃ ੯) ਦੇਖੋ ਗਨਿਕਾ.
ਗਣਿਕਾ - ganikā - गणिका
ਸੰ. ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਗਣ (ਬਹੁਤ) ਪਤੀਆਂ ਵਾਲੀ. ਬਹੁਤਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ. ਵੇਸ਼੍ਯਾ. ਕੰਚਨੀ. ਦੇਖੋ, ਗਨਕਾ। ੨. ਹਥਣੀ. ਗਜੀ. ਅਨੇਕ ਹਾਥੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਇਹ ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ ਹੈ
If someone still comes back into Manukhi Joon (prostitute) by remembering woman, then there shouldn’t be any problem in doing so, because at the end of the day Gurbani advocates that Manukhi joon is supreme joon. If we can come back to supreme joon by remembering woman and escape the 84 Lakh joon cycle, then what is the problem in doing so?
I'll quote the meaning of Ganika as provided in the Mahankosh by Bhai Kahn Singh Ji Nabha.
I agree here somewhat. Gurmat does not discriminate on basis of gender.In my understanding, Ganika does not represent a name or just refers to a woman but guru sahib is referring to someone who has sold off his conscience and definition of prostitute as per gurbani is the one who has sold off his conscience and not a lady who by profession earns money.
There are specific organ donation laws and are strongly implemented in most of the countries. You cannot 'donate' your vital organs just out of free will while alive except in special circumstances when legally permissible.Further when I can sell or donate my kidney, eyes etc which gives me relief or to other then what is wrong in selling other parts.
Well, you have quoted Islam which explicitly permits polygamy in some forms. The Qur'an and Hadiths have clear mentions on this fact.what about Islam which permits a man to have four wife officially and as many as 62 mistresses.
Well, I would like to reverse the question. Can you point a single time Polygyny/polygamy/polyandry is encouraged in the Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj?Can anyone quote a pankti from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji forbidding relation with more than one lady or man.
Generally, no Sikh should marry a second wife if the first wife is alive.
Chapter XI, Article XVIII, p
He who regards another man's daughter as his own daughter, regards another man's wife as his mother, has coition with his own wife alone, he alone is a truly disciplined Sikh of the Guru. A Sikh woman shall likewise keep within the confines of conjugal rectitude.
Chapter X, Article XVI, p
The undermentioned four transgressions (tabooed practices) must be avoided
1. Dishonouring the hair;
2. Eating the meat of an animal slaughtered the Muslim way;
3. Cohabiting with a person other than one's spouse;
4. Using tobacco.
Chapter XIII, Article XXIV
First of all who are the prostitutes and what is the definition of prostitute? According to recent surveys almost 98% of male and female make multiple relationship? And as per Maskin Sahib remaining two percent if don't make multiple relationship it does not they didn't want out of social obligation, morality but because they didn't get the chance. Then why are we living double standard and targeting the one(prostitute) who are only coming up as help for those who were not able to develop relationship.[/QUOTE]I agree here somewhat. Gurmat does not discriminate on basis of gender. Should male prostitutes be given a free hand; are the males who sleep with those prostitutes any better? My answer is no.
Blood which is creates and takes care for all organs is officially sold and my point was different.There are specific organ donation laws and are strongly implemented in most of the countries. You cannot 'donate' your vital organs just out of free will while alive except in special circumstances when legally permissible.
Moreover, simple because the word 'selling' is used both for selling organs in black market and for prostitution, you can't equate the two. People don't 'donate' their genitals when they visit a brothel. That's way out of meaning. Please don't drag meanings this way.
I am not able to find a single pankti which forbids me to have multiple relationship. What is there is excess of everything is bad.Well, I would like to reverse the question. Can you point a single time Polygyny/polygamy/polyandry is encouraged in the Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj?
Aristotle jeeGuru Granth Sahib Maharaj is not a cookbook of do's and dont's unlike other the texts of other religious or spiritual groups you may refer to.
In any case, shouldn't people like this be excommunicated formaly from Sikhi rather than people like Kala Afghana? I mean, Ok, if she wants to be a pornstar, that is fine, but why is she claiming to be a Sikh? Has she taken Amrit? does she wear the 5k's? At best she is an apostate Sikh?
First of all who are the prostitutes and what is the
definition of prostitute?
prostitute
noun
1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse especially for money : *****
b : a male who engages in sexual and especially homosexual practices for money
2 : a person (as a writer or painter) who deliberately debases his or her talents (as for money)
Blood is not 'officially sold', only the costs incurred at its preservation in bloodbanks are recovered. Anyways I think you want to make another point on this. Please state what.Blood which is creates and takes care for all organs is
officially sold and my point was different.
Well, I don't think so. Seeing Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj as a list of instructions will be highly erroneous. There is no doubt in my mind that Gurbani urges the Sikhs to think and decide for themselves rather than dictating a set of laws.Aristotle jee
Over here I don't agree with. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
is full of instruction guiding us how to be truthful.
Please check page No.16 from line 14 onwards in
addition to utility of fasting, idol worshipping and
hundreds of other rituals.
Regarding the matter at hand, I don't think we should go by mere definitions. In fact, each time we give a definition, we shut a number of people out of that definition, which may not always be fair.1. What makes a Sikh?
2. Does excommunication mean the same thing in Sikhi as in another religion like Roman Catholicism?
3. How does the decision to mark one person for excommunication hold up, when other people committing the same offense never come to the attention of the panth?
3a. Should the Singh who buy and watch pornography be held to the same level of moral accountability? Guru Nanak actually held men who took prostitutes to a higher level of moral accountability.
I think it is more like a social embarrasment encouraging a person to take responsibility for his/her doings and seek repentance for them.4. Is excommunication a matter of stripping one of one's religious affiliation, or is it more like shunning, wherein one is deprived of pangat and sangat until one receives a tankhah, carries it out, and asks for atonement?
Well, I doubt if Sunny considers herself a Sikh anyways, although there is a tendency among pornstars to come clean as having 'accepted' God into their lives as they near their retirement. There have been numerous such cases and fake religious conversions, they are nothing but an eyewash.5. What difference does it make to deprive Sunny Leone of pangat and sangat? Does it make me a better person? Does it bring me closer to Ik Oan Kar?
Well, it all boils down again to a simple question, 'Is Sunny Leone, or whatever is her real name, a Sikh?' I don't hink a person should be extended the privilege of being called a Sikh just by the virtue of her being born into a Sikh family. I don't think there is any clause of segregation of someone in any way in Sikhism, it does however at the same time, condemn immoral acts.6. Does Ik Oan Kar reside within Sunny Leone, or not until she accepts a tankha and seeks attonement? And gets it?
7. If Sunny Leone is deprived of pangat and sangat, is the panth better for it?
8. How would the practice of Sikhi by Sikhs change in fundamental ways by punishment of Sunny Leone? Joginder Singh was excommunicated; Sikhs still read Rozana Spokesman.
Maharajah Ranjit Singh was a good king, he initiated a number of sociopolitical reforms and is praised for them. But does that automatically qualify him of being held in regard in Sikh circles? I don't think so.10. When Maharajah Ranjit Singh received a tankhah (in his case it was a sound whipping) for his dalliances with a dancing girl, he brought her into his household of wives and concubines. If my memory is correct - Gyani ji please correct me - this was the same woman who came to sati when he died. Does our high regard for the greater achievements of Maharaja ji outweigh our concern for kaam, or sati? Or did his humble acceptance of punishment make Sikhs more forgiving? Sunny Leone would not be "on his same level." Or would she?
prostitute noun
1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse especially for money : *****
b : a male who engages in sexual and especially homosexual practices for money
2 : a person (as a writer or painter) who deliberately debases his or her talents (as for money).