Sherdil,
Guru Fateh,
It is not one or the other. Japnah in my opinion that I learnt from Gurbani through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru means what Guru Nanak says in Jap,"Gaviei, Sunhiei Mann Rakhie Bhao, Dukh Bhar Har Sukh Ghar lei Jaih". This the essence of Naam Japnah.
What good is repeating any word for hours does if we do not practice the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
For some, chanting may be a high which was for me too when I was part of the Dodra group for many years, but it is just a temporary high. People should take this temporary high, if they have not and kick start their Gurmat engine and move towards Gurmat horizons because idle running of the engine will burst from its seams and hence will be wasted for naught.
The reason I left Dodra was the way people hugged each other, especially, the men with the women which for me was very ungurmat and borderline sexual enticement. Many women were seen giving massages to the so called honchos of the group during breaks which was uneasy for me and lastly, when a couple of women came to them with their marital problems, rather than having a conversation, they told them to parrot Vaheguru for hours and things would be fine. These cumulative things broke the camel's back, so to speak.
A few months after I left the group,it so happened that one of the honchos of the Dodra group from Calgary wearing full baana was imprisoned for 5 years for a rape of one of the group members.
Many in here just talk about this transitory high which is like crawling or staying on the position to run a marathon. If we do not come out of that posture to start walking and running, then it is futile, mechanical parroting and a feel good me-ism in my opinion.
Nothing more.
Let's follow Guru Nanak's message to the tee which is worth repeating because our visionary Guru gave us the right recipe, formula, modus operandi and showed us what a true NAAM JAPNAH means.
"Gaviei, Sunhiei Mann Rakhie Bhao, Dukh Bhar Har Sukh Ghar lei Jaih".
Thanks & regards
Tejwant Singh
Tejwant ji,
i agree with what you say ji mostly those are quite some experiences you speak of...thankfully i haven't fallen into the trap of such groups...
i don;t think anyone has spoken of any such transitory high...these are mere judgements by the ones that don;t agree with what we are doing..Many in here just talk about this transitory high which is like crawling or staying on the position to run a marathon. If we do not come out of that posture to start walking and running, then it is futile, mechanical parroting and a feel good me-ism in my opinion.
as is all the "If we do not come out of that posture to start walking and running" just mere judgement...
i mean do people really think that if someone meditates they do not crawl out of their cave (house), and participate in society? or do their seva? or aim to be a better person and kick the 5 thieves into touch?
seriously?
the Shabads written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji were spoken by Waheguru and written in Guru ji...speaking them with the same love that God spoke them with is different to mindless parroting...
everyone needs that time to sit in peace and quite from the outside world...whether its meditating or a child that just wants to have that moments silence from the world shouting at it...
those silent moments are when we can reflect with full focus..when we can stop whilst the world is wlaking, and glance back at the voice calling us...the shabad within...
nothing i say would ever change your mind...only thing that changes your mind, is when you arm is taken by guru ji, and you think "Oh ****, this stuff is freaking real"