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[BhagatSingh]

Dear Bhagat Singh Ji
I appreciate you are trying to convey your understanding
Form, formless, tangible, intangible, Sargun, Nirgun all aspects of Ik Onkar
Infinite is another aspect of Ik Onkar

Seeker9 ji, We are trying to find out how Sargun and Nirgun are one and the same. We are trying to find out this one who is described as Infinite.

To say "EkOankar is Form, formless, tangible, intangible, Sargun, Nirgun, Infinite, etc" implies that we already knows EkOankar. Do we?
We are trying to find out what EkOankar is so we can know whether he is Inifinite, the way in which he is infinite, for example. There are things we can know about EkOankar. There is only one way to know them and that is to know them first-hand.

In terms of the earlier discussion around intellectual comprehension of that infinite nature, I'm afraid I don't see how your point relates to that

You are right here. The intellect cannot comprehend that which we call Infinite. The intellect operates in the field of duality, hence it cannot comprehend Oneness, Ekoankar. There are other ways though that we can explore.

Re the observer who is observing, there is a physical act of observation and a mental act of observation. We could then go down the road of discussing the Soul, sentience, the human psyche, separating the dancer from the dance etc but I feel it would be off track

Apologies if I have picked you up wrong

What is "physical act of observation" and "mental act of observation"?


Harry ji,

haha yourself, ok, very funny, ok, we tried it, perhaps you have another trial for us to carry out, maybe we should smear dogpoo under our noses to prove it smells, or maybe holding our breath to prove we need air

Next on mastermind, Bhagatji, specialist subject, the bleeding obvious,

ok first question, what colour is red?

lol
I think we should. Ok guys this evening go to the park and... or if you already own one then grab some...
It's one thing to know. It is another to really know.

 

[Ambarsaria]

I know why my fish story started to make everything look more than fishy!

Luckysingh veer ji thanks for your clarification. I don't believe you. Itrust my sixth sense which tells me you either fish or buy fish, prepare it nice, marinate it nice, cook it nice and enjoy with relish.

I was just salivating reading your story. Here in Mississauga, Mughal Mahal makes one of the best tasty fish. They have fried and Tanddori. I like fried even thogh it is slightly less healthy. They used to use Boston Bluefish but have been trying othrt types lately.

I am holding my hopes so please say I am right that your fish story was more gourmet than a dream or fantassy. icecreammunda

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Seeker9]

What is "physical act of observation" and "mental act of observation"?

The eyes see and the mind interprets. For example looking at a work of art. Brings in additional formless factors into play

 

[Ambarsaria]

We are trying to find out what EkOankar is so we can know whether he is Inifinite (just look up at the night sky and say Wahegur tusin Beant ho/Creator you are infinite) , it is not rocket science a, the way in which he is infinite, for example.
Furthermore you try to put statements in other people's mouths, check first if they are asking you to feed them first.

Veer Bhagat Singh ji this general statement and many other of your postulations you cannot attach to others. I have no difficulty in this regard and perhaps many others don't while you may.

There are things we can know about EkOankar. There is only one way to know them and that is to know them first-hand.
It appears you attach such logic to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and not to Sanatan and vedic concepts you seem to feel for.

The intellect cannot comprehend that which we call Infinite. The intellect operates in the field of duality, hence it cannot comprehend Oneness, Ekoankar.
It can visualize and confirm in simple ways and one needs to see under one's nose. How many millions of atoms you detach from yourself and how many millions you attach sitting in front of a computer?

There are other ways though that we can explore.
Why straight is not the way and other ways are the ways. Are you saying that with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as teacher and helper you cannot sort things out for yourself andhave tried everything therein. Isn't this or wouldn't this be a normal for a Sikh versus rest of the tangential stuff that catches your fancy much more.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[BhagatSingh]

Seeker9 ji,
When you look at the keyboard under your nose, what do you see? What thoughts come up? What does it feel like? Smell it. Have you ever smelled your keyboard? What does it smell like? Type something. What does it sound like?

(I am not going to ask you to taste it but you can if you want to Lol)

 

[Seeker9]

Seeker9 ji,
When you look at the keyboard under your nose, what do you see? What thoughts come up? What does it feel like? Smell it. Have you ever smelled your keyboard? What does it smell like? Type something. What does it sound like?

(I am not going to ask you to taste it but you can if you want to Lol)

Generally I tend to think more about what I am typing as opposed to what I am typing on. If I wanted to get philosophical about the keyboard and my interaction with it, I guess I could consider Quantum Physics and what is actually there when I am not looking at the keyboard....

 

[BhagatSingh]

Haha, you are complicating the matter. You are too much in your head. It is really quite simple, not philosophical or scientific. Just be yourself. Use your 5 senses on the keyboard (or another object), and pay attention. What do you notice? Take note of it in our head. Describe it to yourself.
Repeat 4-5 times.

What do you notice about your experience?

 

[Seeker9]

I'll give it a whirl......just for you!

Take note of it in our head

Will we be channelling together?

 

[BhagatSingh]

Hahah! No psychic powers here. Just waiting for any experiences you share.