drkhalsa
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- Sep 16, 2004
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Re: An ex-Sikh’s Journey in Faith
Dear rajs
3 if yes then i means that any other religious leader or preacher like muhammed, nanak , buddha were
a) just nonsense personality disorders
or b) god was some how happy with them due to thier efforts or what ever so made them one with himself but they were not the way for others
or c) they may some how have been in contact with jesus through bible or some other means
Please see the thread – "An ex-Sikh's journey in faith"
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stand condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s only begotten Son.” (John 3:18) As you can see, to be saved by Jesus does not depend on a person, being a Christian (any denomination) or not. Salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ, not in the religion, Christianity, or for that matter, any other! The three steps guide to receive salvation and to inherit the Kingdom of God is presented in (Acts 2:38 – “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.)
I have seen the thread
But still no answer of the questions can you help or it is the case that you don’t want to say it directly that in your view all these people v Muhammad, nanak , Buddha , mahavira were bogus with no connection with god or father of Jesus
Also I have noticed that since you have found your faith in Jesus you have become quite bitter and judgmental about others specially Sikhs (but I may be wrong)
No human can predict the time of Jesus’ second coming. The Bible says it will happen at an appointed time as set by God. It can happen today, or it can happen tomorrow, or it can happen the day after tomorrow- we are not asked to predict but expect the second coming of Jesus. (Matthew 24) The Bible only speaks of “signs” that will take place before the second coming of Christ. If you wish to know, for more descriptive analysis, there are numerous Christian websites on the Internet that you can visit and read about it. The Bible does provide us with lot of clear-cut hints and one of them being foretold to his disciples at Jesus’ ascension:
Then who predicted his first coming all the stuff you are telling looks so imaginative just like LORD OF THE RINGS NOVEL and in a sense it is much better than what you r telling because it causes a lot less confusion
Then one day, apparently wounded by a hunter’s arrow, HE DIED
Ram-Rajya” meaning peaceful and a perfect kingdom. Finally one day, HE DIED.
HE DIED at the age of seventy. However, nine further “Gurus” (spiritual authorities) were anointed to lead this religious movement. The last Guru, Gobind Singh, before DYING, put an end to this transfer of divine ruler-ship by proclaiming their scriptures “Granth Sahib” to be the supreme authority for all believers. It is ironic, that the original message given by Nanak “there is no Hindu nor Muslim but all are equal,” ended up forming a new identity, to be called a Sikh (disciple) or, to be known as Khalsa (pure) if baptized.
He went on to lead many expeditions and wars in Mecca and Medina region, in order to, remove idolatry and advance Islam. In 632 AD, few days after returning from pilgrim in Mecca, HE DIED of an illness.
Later, his wife and son also became monks and at the age of eighty HE DIED of an illness, after eating some unclean food!
By reading above written by I can see how you see other people and faiths in your heart
As you have found faith in Jesus and as you are progressing I can very clearly see what will happen when you will saint and fully forgiven , your bitterness and diplomacy toward other people and faith will increase to a extent that you will ready to kill every body except Christian and your brother Hitler has already tried that
I really felt very bad that Christian who have found faith like think like this , for sure I consider those Christian who haven’t found faith (… don’t go church) are much better than you and these are the people who has made this earth a beautiful place .
v Jesus was NOT created after God created the world but, in fact, through him all things were made. He was not created from dust like Adam and Eve. He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:15)
Mohammed or Nanak or Buddha, did not have pre-existence but were born as any other child, according to their parents’ will. Jesus, however, forsaking his spiritual existence, and to do God’s will, took up a body of flesh and blood, to save us from our sinful nature. He was born not because of parents’ will, but was born of the Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. (John 1:14)
Then why didn’t he created him more different than conmen being ( three eyes , large sige ) OR just I should have been imprinted on this face or back that he is son of god , as it might had been quite difficult for jesus to convince other illiterate shepherds like him that he is son of god . Not to say any body in a situation where he doesnot knew who is his father ha sno choice other than to say my father is god . if god was so keen in creating such a wonder in which ( A child without contribution of man ) then why didn’t he also put a book in hand of a child when he was born telling what he was and what he stand for ( as god has done much of magic of producing child without sperm than he can also produce book along with it). As you know you can imagine a scenario where this nonsense propaganda is going on that a virgin is going to give birth to a child , at the same time lot of Illegimate child are being born to mothers (.. as it even happen today) any body more outspoken can just start this that mine child is the one that has to come
OR somehow if he has taken birth and being able to fit in a criteria of nonsense propaganda a of “son of lord” them atleast god has given him enough skills to write his wish or message himself so that people like you may not find it difficult to defend 14 different versions of faith .
Dear rajs
3 if yes then i means that any other religious leader or preacher like muhammed, nanak , buddha were
a) just nonsense personality disorders
or b) god was some how happy with them due to thier efforts or what ever so made them one with himself but they were not the way for others
or c) they may some how have been in contact with jesus through bible or some other means
Please see the thread – "An ex-Sikh's journey in faith"
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stand condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s only begotten Son.” (John 3:18) As you can see, to be saved by Jesus does not depend on a person, being a Christian (any denomination) or not. Salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ, not in the religion, Christianity, or for that matter, any other! The three steps guide to receive salvation and to inherit the Kingdom of God is presented in (Acts 2:38 – “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.)
I have seen the thread
But still no answer of the questions can you help or it is the case that you don’t want to say it directly that in your view all these people v Muhammad, nanak , Buddha , mahavira were bogus with no connection with god or father of Jesus
Also I have noticed that since you have found your faith in Jesus you have become quite bitter and judgmental about others specially Sikhs (but I may be wrong)
No human can predict the time of Jesus’ second coming. The Bible says it will happen at an appointed time as set by God. It can happen today, or it can happen tomorrow, or it can happen the day after tomorrow- we are not asked to predict but expect the second coming of Jesus. (Matthew 24) The Bible only speaks of “signs” that will take place before the second coming of Christ. If you wish to know, for more descriptive analysis, there are numerous Christian websites on the Internet that you can visit and read about it. The Bible does provide us with lot of clear-cut hints and one of them being foretold to his disciples at Jesus’ ascension:
Then who predicted his first coming all the stuff you are telling looks so imaginative just like LORD OF THE RINGS NOVEL and in a sense it is much better than what you r telling because it causes a lot less confusion
Then one day, apparently wounded by a hunter’s arrow, HE DIED
Ram-Rajya” meaning peaceful and a perfect kingdom. Finally one day, HE DIED.
HE DIED at the age of seventy. However, nine further “Gurus” (spiritual authorities) were anointed to lead this religious movement. The last Guru, Gobind Singh, before DYING, put an end to this transfer of divine ruler-ship by proclaiming their scriptures “Granth Sahib” to be the supreme authority for all believers. It is ironic, that the original message given by Nanak “there is no Hindu nor Muslim but all are equal,” ended up forming a new identity, to be called a Sikh (disciple) or, to be known as Khalsa (pure) if baptized.
He went on to lead many expeditions and wars in Mecca and Medina region, in order to, remove idolatry and advance Islam. In 632 AD, few days after returning from pilgrim in Mecca, HE DIED of an illness.
Later, his wife and son also became monks and at the age of eighty HE DIED of an illness, after eating some unclean food!
By reading above written by I can see how you see other people and faiths in your heart
As you have found faith in Jesus and as you are progressing I can very clearly see what will happen when you will saint and fully forgiven , your bitterness and diplomacy toward other people and faith will increase to a extent that you will ready to kill every body except Christian and your brother Hitler has already tried that
I really felt very bad that Christian who have found faith like think like this , for sure I consider those Christian who haven’t found faith (… don’t go church) are much better than you and these are the people who has made this earth a beautiful place .
v Jesus was NOT created after God created the world but, in fact, through him all things were made. He was not created from dust like Adam and Eve. He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:15)
Mohammed or Nanak or Buddha, did not have pre-existence but were born as any other child, according to their parents’ will. Jesus, however, forsaking his spiritual existence, and to do God’s will, took up a body of flesh and blood, to save us from our sinful nature. He was born not because of parents’ will, but was born of the Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. (John 1:14)
Then why didn’t he created him more different than conmen being ( three eyes , large sige ) OR just I should have been imprinted on this face or back that he is son of god , as it might had been quite difficult for jesus to convince other illiterate shepherds like him that he is son of god . Not to say any body in a situation where he doesnot knew who is his father ha sno choice other than to say my father is god . if god was so keen in creating such a wonder in which ( A child without contribution of man ) then why didn’t he also put a book in hand of a child when he was born telling what he was and what he stand for ( as god has done much of magic of producing child without sperm than he can also produce book along with it). As you know you can imagine a scenario where this nonsense propaganda is going on that a virgin is going to give birth to a child , at the same time lot of Illegimate child are being born to mothers (.. as it even happen today) any body more outspoken can just start this that mine child is the one that has to come
OR somehow if he has taken birth and being able to fit in a criteria of nonsense propaganda a of “son of lord” them atleast god has given him enough skills to write his wish or message himself so that people like you may not find it difficult to defend 14 different versions of faith .