Re: Writing Vaheguru... 51 thousand times !!OR 1 Lakh?
Naam japp jio,
Gurfateh.
I will and can only reiterate what i myself understand of Gurbani.
My understanding..is HANDS were given to us by The Creator to do GOOD..the Eyes are given to see good, the ears are given to hear Good..and so on.
1. IF just One Word ..ANY "WORD"...was that powerful..there would be no need for Ten jamas of Nanak Jyot to write 1429 aangs of SGGS...and no need for Guru Nanak ji Sahib to go around collecting the Bhagat banis/Farid Jis bani etc. IN Fact NONE of the GURUS ever wrote this One WORD even ONCE in their Life time...and NONE of the Bhagats or farid Ji also used this "word" even once in their writings.
This fixation with "power of One word" is stressed by the DERAWALLAHS..exclusively. I have so many books of the Nanaksari Saadhs which detail the Immense Power of..so many mantars jaaps of this and that...and EACH WRITING is to ensure that the Person AVOIDS a SEHAJ PAATH of the Complete SGGS - all attention is focussed on making us beleive that so many mool mantars..so many wahegurus..etc are SUFFICIENT and Carry much more "weight" than any Sehaj paath..that a Sehaj paath..and therefore UNDERSTANDING GURBANI..and hence attempts to FOLLOW and USE GURBANI..are all entirely SUPERFLOUS as every MERIT can be earned meely by repeating so amny moolmantars..waheguurs..etc.
The "power" of the Word is in the FOLLOWING...as they say a PICTURE speaks a THOUSAND WORDS...so a PICTURE is in fact even more "powerful" than any WORD ??
Should the SGGS been a PICTORIAL "ESSAY" and thus be more powerful ?? a gurbani student of mine had brought up such a point when we visited the Central Sikh musueum in Amrtisar....and he wanted to know why the GURUS didnt PAINT PICTURES..or allow their sikhs to paint a picture of Guru Arjun ji sitting on a Hot Plate ?? (as an example).
The GURU who sat on the Hot Plate..didnt want us to merely READ his "words"..or merely "look" at his picture..HE WANTED US TO BE READY TO SIT ON THE HOT PLATE..if there was a need to..and THOUSANDS of SIKHS did just THAT..when it was REQUIRED.
Avar UPDESSEH aap na kareh..Our GURUS were NOT like that...they taught us how to ACT...as GUR-SIKHS...aapeh GURU..aapeh CHELA...a GUR+SIKH Combination..INTERCHANGEABLE...no difference between the two..
Before the advent of Guur nanak ji Sahib..there were already THOUSANDS of people, calmly sitting in isolated places..bhoras..himalayan caves..etc etc silently SPEAKING the NAME...over and over...Raam..Hari..Gopal..Krishan....they were practising the POWER of the WORD ??..Experiencing the Power of the WORD ?? BUT GURU NANAK JI DIDNT APPROVE !!! To Him these were FAILURES..Read Sidh Ghost. Did Guru Ji go to them to learn about the Power of the WORD ?? or to congratulate them on the excellent way they were doing this...NO..Guru Ji went to TEACH them it was wrong...This is NOT the way the WORD POWER is to be expressed...ACTIONS speak LOUDER !!..and ACTION means DOING.
BTW..there is not a single record of any Guru sahib..or his Sikhs...till RECENT TIMES when the "SANTS and Brahmgianis" flooded the Punjab..ever encouraging REPETITIOUS WRITING of a Single WORD to earn "merit". There are however Hundreds of instances of "ACTION"..langgar wood seva of Bhai manjh...Bringing water from Beas by Bhai Amardass Ji, Paani dhovaan, pakha ferahn, of Guru Arjun Ji...and of course the SHAHEEDEAN of Gursikhs where they put their religious beleifs into Action. ACTION required would be to BUILD ROADS..build Hospitals...schools.....dispensaries..wells..sarovars...PINGALWARRAS...workshops to give employment to sikh children...GURU SAHIBS did ALL THOSE....no Guru ever collected "books" which had waheguru written 1 lakh times...Guru ANGAD JI began schools/Gurmukhi education..no record He ever asked his students to just write one word...no matter how powerful....( this was left to 21st century guriqbal singh)
Bhagat Pooran Singh of Pingalwarra is a modern 20th Century epitome of GURSIKH in ACTION. Literally 24 hours of his day was spent in taking care of his inmates...writing pamphlets/books on the Environment, sikh history, social issues, women folk, education, gurbani araths ( Bhagat Ji was not highly educated at all hardly literate..BUT just read any of his pamphlets/books..and you will see how "brilliant" they are...and especially taking into account the little time he had to spare from the duties of taking care of the mental and other sick in the pingalwarra..only an "inner light" could be responsible for them. His NITNEM was ACTION ORIENTED....not the Himalayan Sidhs type. Plenty of Himalayan Sidh types of DERA operating sants etc..BUT not a SINGLE BOOK on Gurbani aarths..on the environment etc ever emerges from any such..whatever "naam kamaii" these people do ( i doubt any..but give them the benefit of the doubt anyway)..is FOR THEIR OWN selves only..NOTHING for the LOKAII..the SANSAAR...Opposite to what GURBANI tells us..GURSIKH is FOR the Lokaii..the world...only what we DO will follow us.
PS. btw the "plastic" SGGS sounds just like plastic money...so easy to spend..get into debt....go bankrupt..apply for govt aid to bail out..go back to same habits...a "sound" i dont think fits the SGGS which is all out against such. My friend was in Sydney recently...there he was sitting peacefully in his patka and small beard and all on the LRT..wehn a DRUNK Gora came abroad. He headed straight for Singh..and started off like this...EH you..EH YOU..with the Bandana and Robin Hood Beard...I am talking to YOU !! You think you are a Big Gangster ?? Wearing a bnadana..beard..look at ME..I am a REAL GANGSTER..I got a REAL GUN ( took out his gun and waved it..)..YOU bandana beardie..do you ahve a Gun ? I know you bandanas carry a small BLUNT KNIFE..show me..show me the knife..you PLASTIC GANGSTER !! When my friend ignored him..he went away...BUT when he returned and narrated this anectdote..we laughed so much i nearly choked...the word PLASTIC came to mind- we have made the WEAPON KIRPAN..into a BLUNT PLASTIC SYMBOL...i fail to see what practical use a blunt kirpan is...sorry for digression...i also fail to see what good a plastic sggs will be...the "Saskaar BABAS" sure wont like it because then they cant ask for too much SUDH DESI GHEE to plaster the pages..with the Paper SGGS at least they are sure the GHEE will be hundreds of kilos in EXCESS..because "GURSIKHS" think they can BUY MERIT by donating GHEE for saskaar of their GURU...doesnt matter if its all in excess..who wants to be left out ..sorry if i offended..i am very passionate about what i beleive in...??...ramblings..ramblings..take what is Gurmatt and discard the rest...JIOS.:advocate:
Naam japp jio,
Gurfateh.
I will and can only reiterate what i myself understand of Gurbani.
My understanding..is HANDS were given to us by The Creator to do GOOD..the Eyes are given to see good, the ears are given to hear Good..and so on.
1. IF just One Word ..ANY "WORD"...was that powerful..there would be no need for Ten jamas of Nanak Jyot to write 1429 aangs of SGGS...and no need for Guru Nanak ji Sahib to go around collecting the Bhagat banis/Farid Jis bani etc. IN Fact NONE of the GURUS ever wrote this One WORD even ONCE in their Life time...and NONE of the Bhagats or farid Ji also used this "word" even once in their writings.
This fixation with "power of One word" is stressed by the DERAWALLAHS..exclusively. I have so many books of the Nanaksari Saadhs which detail the Immense Power of..so many mantars jaaps of this and that...and EACH WRITING is to ensure that the Person AVOIDS a SEHAJ PAATH of the Complete SGGS - all attention is focussed on making us beleive that so many mool mantars..so many wahegurus..etc are SUFFICIENT and Carry much more "weight" than any Sehaj paath..that a Sehaj paath..and therefore UNDERSTANDING GURBANI..and hence attempts to FOLLOW and USE GURBANI..are all entirely SUPERFLOUS as every MERIT can be earned meely by repeating so amny moolmantars..waheguurs..etc.
The "power" of the Word is in the FOLLOWING...as they say a PICTURE speaks a THOUSAND WORDS...so a PICTURE is in fact even more "powerful" than any WORD ??
Should the SGGS been a PICTORIAL "ESSAY" and thus be more powerful ?? a gurbani student of mine had brought up such a point when we visited the Central Sikh musueum in Amrtisar....and he wanted to know why the GURUS didnt PAINT PICTURES..or allow their sikhs to paint a picture of Guru Arjun ji sitting on a Hot Plate ?? (as an example).
The GURU who sat on the Hot Plate..didnt want us to merely READ his "words"..or merely "look" at his picture..HE WANTED US TO BE READY TO SIT ON THE HOT PLATE..if there was a need to..and THOUSANDS of SIKHS did just THAT..when it was REQUIRED.
Avar UPDESSEH aap na kareh..Our GURUS were NOT like that...they taught us how to ACT...as GUR-SIKHS...aapeh GURU..aapeh CHELA...a GUR+SIKH Combination..INTERCHANGEABLE...no difference between the two..
Before the advent of Guur nanak ji Sahib..there were already THOUSANDS of people, calmly sitting in isolated places..bhoras..himalayan caves..etc etc silently SPEAKING the NAME...over and over...Raam..Hari..Gopal..Krishan....they were practising the POWER of the WORD ??..Experiencing the Power of the WORD ?? BUT GURU NANAK JI DIDNT APPROVE !!! To Him these were FAILURES..Read Sidh Ghost. Did Guru Ji go to them to learn about the Power of the WORD ?? or to congratulate them on the excellent way they were doing this...NO..Guru Ji went to TEACH them it was wrong...This is NOT the way the WORD POWER is to be expressed...ACTIONS speak LOUDER !!..and ACTION means DOING.
BTW..there is not a single record of any Guru sahib..or his Sikhs...till RECENT TIMES when the "SANTS and Brahmgianis" flooded the Punjab..ever encouraging REPETITIOUS WRITING of a Single WORD to earn "merit". There are however Hundreds of instances of "ACTION"..langgar wood seva of Bhai manjh...Bringing water from Beas by Bhai Amardass Ji, Paani dhovaan, pakha ferahn, of Guru Arjun Ji...and of course the SHAHEEDEAN of Gursikhs where they put their religious beleifs into Action. ACTION required would be to BUILD ROADS..build Hospitals...schools.....dispensaries..wells..sarovars...PINGALWARRAS...workshops to give employment to sikh children...GURU SAHIBS did ALL THOSE....no Guru ever collected "books" which had waheguru written 1 lakh times...Guru ANGAD JI began schools/Gurmukhi education..no record He ever asked his students to just write one word...no matter how powerful....( this was left to 21st century guriqbal singh)
Bhagat Pooran Singh of Pingalwarra is a modern 20th Century epitome of GURSIKH in ACTION. Literally 24 hours of his day was spent in taking care of his inmates...writing pamphlets/books on the Environment, sikh history, social issues, women folk, education, gurbani araths ( Bhagat Ji was not highly educated at all hardly literate..BUT just read any of his pamphlets/books..and you will see how "brilliant" they are...and especially taking into account the little time he had to spare from the duties of taking care of the mental and other sick in the pingalwarra..only an "inner light" could be responsible for them. His NITNEM was ACTION ORIENTED....not the Himalayan Sidhs type. Plenty of Himalayan Sidh types of DERA operating sants etc..BUT not a SINGLE BOOK on Gurbani aarths..on the environment etc ever emerges from any such..whatever "naam kamaii" these people do ( i doubt any..but give them the benefit of the doubt anyway)..is FOR THEIR OWN selves only..NOTHING for the LOKAII..the SANSAAR...Opposite to what GURBANI tells us..GURSIKH is FOR the Lokaii..the world...only what we DO will follow us.
PS. btw the "plastic" SGGS sounds just like plastic money...so easy to spend..get into debt....go bankrupt..apply for govt aid to bail out..go back to same habits...a "sound" i dont think fits the SGGS which is all out against such. My friend was in Sydney recently...there he was sitting peacefully in his patka and small beard and all on the LRT..wehn a DRUNK Gora came abroad. He headed straight for Singh..and started off like this...EH you..EH YOU..with the Bandana and Robin Hood Beard...I am talking to YOU !! You think you are a Big Gangster ?? Wearing a bnadana..beard..look at ME..I am a REAL GANGSTER..I got a REAL GUN ( took out his gun and waved it..)..YOU bandana beardie..do you ahve a Gun ? I know you bandanas carry a small BLUNT KNIFE..show me..show me the knife..you PLASTIC GANGSTER !! When my friend ignored him..he went away...BUT when he returned and narrated this anectdote..we laughed so much i nearly choked...the word PLASTIC came to mind- we have made the WEAPON KIRPAN..into a BLUNT PLASTIC SYMBOL...i fail to see what practical use a blunt kirpan is...sorry for digression...i also fail to see what good a plastic sggs will be...the "Saskaar BABAS" sure wont like it because then they cant ask for too much SUDH DESI GHEE to plaster the pages..with the Paper SGGS at least they are sure the GHEE will be hundreds of kilos in EXCESS..because "GURSIKHS" think they can BUY MERIT by donating GHEE for saskaar of their GURU...doesnt matter if its all in excess..who wants to be left out ..sorry if i offended..i am very passionate about what i beleive in...??...ramblings..ramblings..take what is Gurmatt and discard the rest...JIOS.:advocate: