BHOOTS (Ghosts) And PRETS (Demons) In GURBANI ? Must We THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ?

Tejwant Singh · Mar 26, 2013

Harry ji, I have been married to one great lady for the past 24 years. Hence, all come in the same package.

Kanwaljit.Singh · Mar 26, 2013

I have been married to one great lady for the past 24 years.

Please ask your better half to join SPN family!

itsmaneet · Mar 27, 2013

Bhoot - Pret are those who are away from Gurbani, Do Not Trust Waheguru, Do Not Follow Gurmat, Dis Respect Guru Sewaks, Do Not Do Nitnem, Simran ...

Tejwant Singh · Mar 27, 2013

Tejwant Singh said:
Harry ji, I have been married to one great lady for the past 24 years. Hence, all come in the same package.

On a serious note, I must add that both my MIL and wife are 'angels'.

Harry Haller · Mar 27, 2013

Tejwant Singh said:
On a serious note, I must add that both my MIL and wife are 'angels'.

A Sikh should not fear anything! lol lol lol lol lol

Scarlet Pimpernel · Mar 27, 2013

We are Phantom Philosophers.

palaingtha · May 14, 2013

Gyani Jarnail Singh said:
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.

Almost daily I come across "Sikhs" who tell me they have so much shardha in Gurbani..they beleive every single word of Gurbani..and this tells them that there are BHOOTS and PRETS.( also YUGS and Reincarnations..84 lakh joons and jamraaj and chitragupts..and and ..and..) I ask them..Have you really studied Gurbani ?? or just read gurbani..superficially...
The Difficulty and problem stems from the fact that we Sikhs always proclaim that GURU NANAK began a NEW RELIGION...a NEW system of THOUGHT...a Brand New Philosophy...etc etc BUT then we put on the Same old "spectacles" of Brahminism/vedas/purans...when we attempt to "look" at GURMATT Philosphy espoused in GURBANI. The "technique" Guru Ji used in Wriiting Gurbani is called PRODAWAAD...USE the "same old words" that already well known..BUT GIVE them NEW MEANINGS in line with the NEW GURMATT PHILOSOPHY. Thus we have mention of YUGS, REINCARNATION, BHOOTS, PRETS, 84 Lakh Joons etc etc..ALL these are used just as EXAMPLES..UDHARANS ONLY....to explain the new GURMATT. we cannot see the new gurmatt if we continue to BORROW the Brahmins" spectacles to see what Guru Ji wrote. WHY DID GURU JI THROW WATER at HARDWAAR ?? Does this Mean that We MUST also "THROW WATER" ?? Guru Ji is clearly THROWING WATER...But to TEACH his NEW GURMATT PHILOSOPHY....that THROWING WATER is a useless act...and even IF GURU JI also threw water..we are NOT to DO IT anymore after we read and understand GURBANI.

Lets see what are the BHOOTS and PRETS mentioned in Gurbani..
1.Page 289..Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Saar BHOOT seh Har ka nao sehaj subhai nanak gun gao..... Here "BHOOT" is used for MATERIAL THINGS
2.Page 1202 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Kart buraee manas te chhapaee, Sathi BHOOT bhavaan"... Here BHOOT is TIME
3. Page 714 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Bhasma bhoot hoa khin bheetr Keea aapna paiya.." Here BHOOT is BODY
4. Page 839 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Panchmee panch BHOOT betala, aap agochar purakh nirala" Here BHOOT is Panch tatt Five Tatts
5. Page 1031 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. " Dundar dhoot Bhoot bhehaleh,khinchotan kareh bheetaleh." Here BHOOT is used for VISHA VIKAARS
6. Page 513 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Maiya moh PRET hai, Kaam Krodh hankaara.." Here BHOOT PRET is MAYA..kaam, krodh,,hankaar
7. Page 890 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. " Pasu pret mugadh te bureetiseh na bujheh jin eh siree..." Here BHOOT is for HUMAN BODY
8. Page 224 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. "Kar kirpa rakhoh ravaleh..bin bujheh pasu paiyeah betaleh.." GIANHEEN..those without KNOWLEDGE are
BHOOTS
9. Page 311 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.." Sach sacha jineh na sevaiah se MANMUKH moorrh BETaleh.." here the MANMUKH is the BHOOT
10. Page 149.Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Navoh bhoolah jag phireh betalia.." Here the WORLD is BHOOT
11. Page 556 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ." kali andhar nanaka jinah da autaar..PUTT jnoora dhee janoree Joru jinah da sikdaar..Here the FAMILY is BHOOT
12. Page 1374 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Kabir ja ghar saadh na seviah...Har kee seva nahin..se ghar marthakh sarkheh BHOOT baseh tin maheh...
People WITHOUT any GUNN...are like "Houses with BHOOTS"
13. Page 802 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.."Pasu pret mugadh ko tareh pahan paar utareh.. nanak dass teri sarnaii sada sada balihareh...Here GURU has the
ability to Make "BHOOTS" ( those without Gunn, Knowledge etc) into GOOD HUMAN BEINGS
14. Page323 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.." Pretoh kettan devta tin karneh hareh.. sabhe SIKH swarean Prabh kaaj swareh.." Guru has the ability to make
Bhoot like Bad Human Beings into GOOD Angel like Devtas
15. Page 706.Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Har bhagat bhav heenangNanak PRABH bisrteh preteh..." PRET is one who has forgotten Name of GOD

Only Prof sahib Singh ji in His Guru Garanth Darpan has stepped out of the BRAHMIN LKEER ( line of CONTROL) and doen justice to Gurbani aarths...all others have doen these arrths by remaining firmly TIED DOWN to Brahminic/Vedic Thoughts and Rituals..and our so callaed DERAWADEE SANTS and SAADHS and even Taksali Gyanis are lakeer de fkeer..makee te makhee maree jaan walleh..who mindlessly keep repeating these "bhoot bhoot" when GURBANI is s ayign the Direct OPPOSITE of what they preach...and keep pushing the unwary sikh towards the deep ocean of Hinduism and its bhoot prets and 33 krorr devtas and such myths...
Actually there are no Bhoot Pret Joonis...there is not a single tuk of Gurbani that declares that such a BHOOT pret can enter a Human Body and take possesiion of it..all such are MANSAK Sicknesses..sickness of the MIND and should be treated as such by medical professionals...not akhautee saadhs and sants reading gurbani over glasses of water and sprinkling them over such mentally disturbed persons..
Har ke naam heen BETAAL..Jeta karan karavan teta Sabh bandhan Janjaal..and also.....Koi Kaheh BHOOTNA koi BETALLA.... if such a Modern SAADH-SANT say from baba Wadbhag Singh Dera had come across GURU NANAK JI...he would have sat down to take out "Guru nanak Ji's BHOOT also...because Guru Ji declares ..People call me Bhootna, betalla..so whose "bhoot" is in GURU NANAK JI ?? Gurbani clearly declares that humans who dont have Naam, gunns, good deeds, knowledge of God are the BHOOTS in HUMAN FORM...

a small story. A man approached Guru Gobind Singh ji and pleaded that he saw BHOOTS/PRETS..and was frightened. Guru Ji asked him.. Have you taken Khandeh batte dee Pahul..Do you Do Nitnem...Do you read Gurbani Paath... and he repleid NO Guru Ji. Guru Ji then replied..to me YOU are the BHOOT/PRET...for without the Naam of Gurbani a Human is BHOOT/PRET. Any human who is not having love of God in him, does bad things, cannot see God in everyone...is a Living BHOOT/PRET..and GURBANI hs the Power to make such a bhoot into a good Human being. NO "DEAD" person can enter into any living human...so dont fall for that saadh/Sant/Tantrik trick to relieve you of your money...and SANITY and PEACE of MIND.

Jarnail Singh Gyani "Arshi"

The Following Comment was posted by Respected Prof devinder Singh ji Chahal....

:"...Mr Jarnail Singh Arshi Giani Ji has explained wonderfully that in all the phrases quoted by him the word’ Bhoot’ and ‘Pret’ have been used by Gurus as metaphors to convey their philosophy. According to Nanakian Philosophy embodied in the Bani of Guru Nanak the so-called Soul does not go into reincarnation of 8.4 million life-cycles or into the Bhoot or prêt form.. There is no such thing in this universe.

It is very important for the Sikhs to first understand the ‘Nanakian Methodology’ used by Guru Nanak and other Sikh Gurus to write their Bani. One of the various methods used by the Gurus is that they have used ALLEGORIES, METAPHORS, AND SIMILES extensively to convey their philosophy. As soon as one understands Nanakian Methodology it would be much easier to interpret Gurbani in its real perspective.

One can read about it on the following site:

Nanakian Methodology
http://www.iuscanada.com/journal/articles/nanakianMethodology.pdf

For more articles on scientific and logical interpretations of Gurbani go to the following Net:
www.iuscanada.com

Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD
Institute for Understanding Sikhism
4418 Martin-Plouffe
Laval, Quebec, Canada
H7W 5L9
Phone: 450-681-1254

I am giving here under Gurbani Shlokas in which you will find the mention of evil spirits, the higher and lower castes and repetition of God's name. All the three you have denied to having been accepted by Gurbani. It is another issue that we need not fear the evil spirits, take pride in ones birth in a high caste family or think low of the other castes. But Simran is to be practiced, i.e. repetition of Waheguru Satnam. I can give many more quotes from Gurbavi.

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਬਿਘਨੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਣਤ ਜਮੁ ਦੂਰਹੁ ਭਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਸਭ
ਦੂਖਹ ਨਾਸੁ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ ਨਿਰਬਿਘਨ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਰਸਕਿ
ਰਸਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਚਾਖੁ ਨ ਜੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਦੈਤ ਦੇਉ ਨ
ਪੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਨੁ ਨ ਬਧੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਨ ਰੁਧੈ ॥੨॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀ
ਸਗਲੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਹਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ ॥ ਜਾਤਿ ਅਜਾਤਿ ਜਪੈ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜੋ ਜਾਪੈ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ
ਗਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੀਐ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਕਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ
ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਚਿਤਾਰਿ ॥੪॥੩੬॥੪੯॥ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੫੦

ਅਰਥ :ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਬੜੇ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨਾਲ ਸਦਾ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਂਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ, ਸਦਾ ਹਰੀ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ
ਜਪਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ । ਇਹ ਭਗਤੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਰਾਹ ਵਿਚ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਣ ਦੇਂਦੀ
।੧।ਰਹਾਉ।

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ (ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ਰ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮਾਦਿਕ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ
ਪੈਂਦੀ । ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸੁਣਦਿਆਂ (ਜੀਵਨ ਇਤਨਾ ਉੱਚਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ
ਪਾਸੋਂ) ਜਮਰਾਜ ਦੂਰੋਂ ਹੀ ਪਰੇ ਹਟ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ । ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੁੱਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਅਤੇ
ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮਨ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ।੧।

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਕੋਈ ਭੈੜੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਦੀ, ਕੋਈ ਦੈਂਤ ਕੋਈ ਦੇਉ ਆਪਣਾ
ਜ਼ੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾ ਸਕਦਾ, ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾ ਮੋਹ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਮਾਣ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਕੁਚਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦਾ,
ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਫਸਦਾ ।੨।

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! (ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਜ਼ਾਰਿਆ ਜਾਏ ਉਹੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਾਸਤੇ
ਢੁਕਵਾਂ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹੀ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ । ਉੱਚੀ ਜਾਤਿ
ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ ਚਾਹੇ ਨੀਵੀਂ ਜਾਤਿ ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ, ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਕ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਉੱਚੀਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ।੩।

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ (ਰਹਿ ਕੇ) ਜਪਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਦੀ
ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਰੰਗ (ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਉਤੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹੈ) । ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ!
(ਆਪਣੇ ਦਾਸ) ਨਾਨਕ ਉਤੇ ਮਿਹਰ ਕਰ, ਹੇ ਹਰੀ! (ਮੈ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤਿ) ਦੇਹ (ਤਾ ਕਿ) ਮੈਂ
(ਆਪਣੇ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਾਹ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ (ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮ) ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹਾਂ ।੪।੩੬।੪੯।

linzer · May 15, 2013

Palaingtha ji
Can we get the english translation on that please ? Or at least the page #

palaingtha · May 15, 2013

itsmaneet said:
Bhoot - Pret are those who are away from Gurbani, Do Not Trust Waheguru, Do Not Follow Gurmat, Dis Respect Guru Sewaks, Do Not Do Nitnem, Simran ...

You are very much mistaken. That much I would say. I don't want to brag.
You want to appear that you are a Maha Gyani and there is nobody like you who knows the SGGS bani.

japjisahib04 · May 15, 2013

Before I go through it, I would like to ask if by chanting His name Messenger of Death runs away and all sufferings vanish, then why Sant Bhindrawale had to keep Gun and security guard around him. He was 24 hour Naam Japiyeh. Second do the God has feet where our mind get stablize?

best regards
sahni

findingmyway · May 17, 2013

linzer said:
Palaingtha ji
Can we get the english translation on that please ? Or at least the page #

ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੫੦
Ang 1150

Gyani Jarnail Singh · May 17, 2013

GURBANI..SGGS..is all 100% POSITIVE....good vibes..DO whats RIGHT..get the Phall...Live Righteously...get the full benefits....BUT a few among us always look at the Glass Half EMPTY..always go fort he NEGATIVE...always drivel in fear...scared of monsters under the bed...inside the cupboard...sleep with the lights ON !! and stlill shudder under the chadars...the Morning JAPJI is POSITIVE..the Nightfall SOHILA is POSITIVE...Positive + positive = POSITIVE. While Gursikhs sleep early and get up early..such NEGATIVES go around peeping under beds and cant sleep or if they do..they wake up screaming form nightmares in Broad daylight at 12 NOON !!:grinningsingh::grinningsingh:

findingmyway · May 18, 2013

Shabad in blue. Translation and my interpretation in purple underneath each paragraph of Prof Sahib's commentary. Please note it isn't a pure translation as it includes my own understanding. This is for English speakers, thanks for flagging it up Linzer ji :tablakudi:

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ [/FONT]
ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਬਿਘਨੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਣਤ ਜਮੁ ਦੂਰਹੁ ਭਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਸਭ[/FONT] ਦੂਖਹ ਨਾਸੁ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ (ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ਰ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮਾਦਿਕ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ[/FONT] ਪੈਂਦੀ । ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸੁਣਦਿਆਂ (ਜੀਵਨ ਇਤਨਾ ਉੱਚਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ[/FONT] ਪਾਸੋਂ) ਜਮਰਾਜ ਦੂਰੋਂ ਹੀ ਪਰੇ ਹਟ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ । ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੁੱਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ[/FONT], ਅਤੇ[/FONT] ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮਨ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ।੧।[/FONT]

When chanting Akaal’s name, no obstacle comes in your way on the path of life. When listening to Akaal’s name, (Jam here represents the fear of death, not the messenger of death), the fear of death moves far away from you. When taking naam, all sorrows depart and the mind remains fixed in the service of Akaal (at Akaal’s feet).

ਨਿਰਬਿਘਨ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਰਸਕਿ[/FONT]ਰਸਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥[/FONT]

ਅਰਥ :ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਬੜੇ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨਾਲ ਸਦਾ[/FONT] ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਂਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ[/FONT], ਸਦਾ ਹਰੀ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ[/FONT] ਜਪਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ । ਇਹ ਭਗਤੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਰਾਹ ਵਿਚ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਣ ਦੇਂਦੀ[/FONT] ।[/FONT]੧।ਰਹਾਉ।[/FONT]

[/FONT] This kind of devotion along the path of life is the way to escape from the effects of obstacles in life. Always remember Akaal with much love, always sing about the wondrous aspects of Akaal.

Put all together, the repetition indicates we should be eating, sleeping, singing, speaking, listening, following, living Gurbani!

ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਚਾਖੁ ਨ ਜੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਦੈਤ ਦੇਉ ਨ[/FONT]ਪੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਨੁ ਨ ਬਧੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਨ ਰੁਧੈ ॥੨॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਕੋਈ ਭੈੜੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਦੀ[/FONT], ਕੋਈ ਦੈਂਤ ਕੋਈ ਦੇਉ ਆਪਣਾ[/FONT] ਜ਼ੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾ ਸਕਦਾ[/FONT], ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾ ਮੋਹ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਮਾਣ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ[/FONT] ਕੁਚਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦਾ[/FONT], ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਫਸਦਾ ।੨।[/FONT]

When remembering Akaal, bad luck does not befall you (nazar lagna is a common Panjabi phrase representing bad luck. There were a lot of rituals in order to ward off the evil eye, or nazar or chakh away, such as a black dot placed on a pretty face. So Guruji is telling us the only thing required to combat bad luck is following Gurbani.) When following Gurbani (remembering Akaal), ghosts and spirits cannot influence you (as you no longer waste your time or energy thinking about them). Always remembering Akaal, the greed of illusions of material wealth cannot disrupt the life of a spiritual mind. Always remembering Akaal, a person escapes the hold of having to always reinvent yourself (rebirth). (We know this line cannot be talking about physical reincarnation as the line before or 1<sup>st</sup> half of rhyme refers to the mind so it does not make sense to suddenly switch focus to the emotional.)

ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀ[/FONT]ਸਗਲੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਹਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ ॥ ਜਾਤਿ ਅਜਾਤਿ ਜਪੈ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜੋ ਜਾਪੈ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ[/FONT]ਗਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! (ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਜ਼ਾਰਿਆ ਜਾਏ ਉਹੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਾਸਤੇ[/FONT] ਢੁਕਵਾਂ ਹੈ[/FONT], ਪਰ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹੀ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ । ਉੱਚੀ ਜਾਤਿ[/FONT] ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ[/FONT] ਚਾਹੇ ਨੀਵੀਂ ਜਾਤਿ ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ[/FONT], ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਕ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਉੱਚੀਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ।੩।[/FONT]

ALL times are good time to remember Akaal, i.e. anytime spent in remembering Akaal is time well spent and not just amritvela. Out of countless people, very few actually do TRUE simran (follow Gurbani with mind and soul, inside and out). It doesn’t matter if you are of high caste or have no caste, whoever lives in remembrance (and following), the spiritual state of that person is elevated.

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੀਐ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਕਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ[/FONT]ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਚਿਤਾਰਿ ॥੪॥੩੬॥੪੯॥ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੫੦[/FONT]

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ (ਰਹਿ ਕੇ) ਜਪਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ[/FONT], (ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਦੀ[/FONT] ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਰੰਗ (ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਉਤੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹੈ) । ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ![/FONT] (ਆਪਣੇ[/FONT] ਦਾਸ) ਨਾਨਕ ਉਤੇ ਮਿਹਰ ਕਰ[/FONT], ਹੇ[/FONT] ਹਰੀ! (ਮੈ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤਿ) ਦੇਹ (ਤਾ ਕਿ) ਮੈਂ[/FONT] (ਆਪਣੇ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਾਹ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ (ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮ) ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹਾਂ ।੪।੩੬।੪੯।[/FONT]

The naam can be sung among the saadh sangat. With the help of Akaal (yourself), naam completely colours all aspects of your life. Nanak says, Akaal is full of mercy. With each and every breath, remember the Creator.
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palaingtha · May 19, 2013

findingmyway said:
Shabad in blue. Translation and my interpretation in purple underneath each paragraph of Prof Sahib's commentary. Please note it isn't a pure translation as it includes my own understanding. This is for English speakers, thanks for flagging it up Linzer ji

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ [/FONT]
ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਬਿਘਨੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਣਤ ਜਮੁ ਦੂਰਹੁ ਭਾਗੈ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈਤ ਸਭ[/FONT] ਦੂਖਹ ਨਾਸੁ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ (ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਸਫ਼ਰ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮਾਦਿਕ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ[/FONT] ਪੈਂਦੀ । ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸੁਣਦਿਆਂ (ਜੀਵਨ ਇਤਨਾ ਉੱਚਾ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ[/FONT] ਪਾਸੋਂ) ਜਮਰਾਜ ਦੂਰੋਂ ਹੀ ਪਰੇ ਹਟ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ । ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਿਆਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੁੱਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ[/FONT], ਅਤੇ[/FONT] ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਚਰਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮਨ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ ।੧।[/FONT]

When chanting Akaal’s name, no obstacle comes in your way on the path of life. When listening to Akaal’s name, (Jam here represents the fear of death, not the messenger of death), the fear of death moves far away from you. When taking naam, all sorrows depart and the mind remains fixed in the service of Akaal (at Akaal’s feet).

ਨਿਰਬਿਘਨ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ ਰਸਕਿ[/FONT]ਰਸਕਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥[/FONT]

ਅਰਥ :ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਬੜੇ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨਾਲ ਸਦਾ[/FONT] ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਂਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ[/FONT], ਸਦਾ ਹਰੀ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ[/FONT] ਜਪਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਰ । ਇਹ ਭਗਤੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੇ ਰਾਹ ਵਿਚ (ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ) ਕੋਈ ਰੁਕਾਵਟ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਣ ਦੇਂਦੀ[/FONT] ।[/FONT]੧।ਰਹਾਉ।[/FONT]

[/FONT] This kind of devotion along the path of life is the way to escape from the effects of obstacles in life. Always remember Akaal with much love, always sing about the wondrous aspects of Akaal.

Put all together, the repetition indicates we should be eating, sleeping, singing, speaking, listening, following, living Gurbani!

ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਚਾਖੁ ਨ ਜੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਦੈਤ ਦੇਉ ਨ[/FONT]ਪੋਹੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਨੁ ਨ ਬਧੈ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨਿ ਨ ਰੁਧੈ ॥੨॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਕੋਈ ਭੈੜੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਦੀ[/FONT], ਕੋਈ ਦੈਂਤ ਕੋਈ ਦੇਉ ਆਪਣਾ[/FONT] ਜ਼ੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਪਾ ਸਕਦਾ[/FONT], ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾ ਮੋਹ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਮਾਣ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ[/FONT] ਕੁਚਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦਾ[/FONT], ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਦਿਆਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਗੇੜ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਫਸਦਾ ।੨।[/FONT]

When remembering Akaal, bad luck does not befall you (nazar lagna is a common Panjabi phrase representing bad luck. There were a lot of rituals in order to ward off the evil eye, or nazar or chakh away, such as a black dot placed on a pretty face. So Guruji is telling us the only thing required to combat bad luck is following Gurbani.) When following Gurbani (remembering Akaal), ghosts and spirits cannot influence you (as you no longer waste your time or energy thinking about them). Always remembering Akaal, the greed of illusions of material wealth cannot disrupt the life of a spiritual mind. Always remembering Akaal, a person escapes the hold of having to always reinvent yourself (rebirth). (We know this line cannot be talking about physical reincarnation as the line before or 1<sup>st</sup> half of rhyme refers to the mind so it does not make sense to suddenly switch focus to the emotional.)
When following Gurbani (remembering Akaal), ghosts and spirits cannot influence you (as you no longer waste your time or energy thinking about them).

ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕੀ[/FONT]ਸਗਲੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਹਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ ॥ ਜਾਤਿ ਅਜਾਤਿ ਜਪੈ ਜਨੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਜੋ ਜਾਪੈ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ[/FONT]ਗਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥
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ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! (ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਜ਼ਾਰਿਆ ਜਾਏ ਉਹੀ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਵਾਸਤੇ[/FONT] ਢੁਕਵਾਂ ਹੈ[/FONT], ਪਰ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਹੀ ਹਰਿ-ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ । ਉੱਚੀ ਜਾਤਿ[/FONT] ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ[/FONT] ਚਾਹੇ ਨੀਵੀਂ ਜਾਤਿ ਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ[/FONT], ਜਿਹੜਾ ਭੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਕ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਉੱਚੀਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ।੩।[/FONT]

ALL times are good time to remember Akaal, i.e. anytime spent in remembering Akaal is time well spent and not just amritvela. Out of countless people, very few actually do TRUE simran (follow Gurbani with mind and soul, inside and out). It doesn’t matter if you are of high caste or have no caste, whoever lives in remembrance (and following), the spiritual state of that person is elevated.

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੀਐ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਕਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ[/FONT]ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਾਸਿ ਸਾਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਚਿਤਾਰਿ ॥੪॥੩੬॥੪੯॥ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੫੦[/FONT]

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ (ਰਹਿ ਕੇ) ਜਪਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ[/FONT], (ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਦੀ[/FONT] ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਰੰਗ (ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਉਤੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹੈ) । ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ![/FONT] (ਆਪਣੇ[/FONT] ਦਾਸ) ਨਾਨਕ ਉਤੇ ਮਿਹਰ ਕਰ[/FONT], ਹੇ[/FONT] ਹਰੀ! (ਮੈ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਦਾਤਿ) ਦੇਹ (ਤਾ ਕਿ) ਮੈਂ[/FONT] (ਆਪਣੇ) ਹਰੇਕ ਸਾਹ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ (ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮ) ਚੇਤੇ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹਾਂ ।੪।੩੬।੪੯।[/FONT]

The naam can be sung among the saadh sangat. With the help of Akaal (yourself), naam completely colours all aspects of your life. Nanak says, Akaal is full of mercy. With each and every breath, remember the Creator.

When following Gurbani (remembering Akaal), ghosts and spirits cannot influence you (as you no longer waste your time or energy thinking about them).
That is what I say Gurbani believes in the existence of these evil spirits as you will find from the above translation posted by you. My saying is that much only. Those who are remembering God "Sas Giras" do not have to fear the evil spirits. I saw these evil spirits and I avoided in disturbing them, while my friend, might have offended them and he had to pay with his life.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · May 19, 2013

THEN WHY do we continue to LABOUR and WASTE TIME..on these spirits bhoots ?? Dont we get the basic point.."WASTING TIME and ENERGY.....on a subject thats inst worth an IOTA as far as GURBANI is concerned.....GURU Jis is repeatedly saying..READ GURBANI....dont WASTE TIME..and some among us are repeatedly saying..NO GURU JI..I HAVE TO keep on WASTING TIME...MY time as well as others time..becasue I am psychotic..deadly terrified of bhoots..so please forgive me..I MUST WASTE time...Guru Ji says..THERE is NOT ENOUGH TIME for GURBANI/AKAAL....but we say..no no no..I do have plenty of time to WASTE/KILL....so i must go on beating this DEAD BHOOT till it gets up and scares the living Bovine backend out of me...sigh....let the others concentarte on GURBANI..i have my OBSESSION....SIGH.... :winkingsingh:

japjisahib04 · May 19, 2013

But Giani ji, don't you think, we are duty bound to clear the air. Because the person concern is not able to interpret or comprehend the meaning of gurbani himself and is simply dependent upon those who have interpreted as per their knowledge. Gurbani even talks of jamm. Now is their any messenger of death? For example take the pankti, 'ਜਉ ਜਮੁ ਆਇ ਕੇਸ ਗਹਿ ਪਟਕੈ ਤਾ ਦਿਨ ਕਿਛੁ ਨ ਬਸਾਹਿਗਾ।। Normal interpretation of this pankti is when the messenger of death comes and grabs you by the hair, and knocks you down, on that day, you shall be powerless but simple common sense and question is when after death nothing shall accompany least to talk of body, then which are those hair whom so called jamm will grab and knocks down. In fact guru sahib is not talking after death but vikars of present time which makes our life miserable.There are two types of laws of nature. One is external and the other is internal. Since I know if I jump from the top floor, definately I will get hurt thus no one dare to jump unless someone is trained. Gurbani is teaching us if I am living in ant kaal (spiritually dead) how these laws of nature erode my body internally.

Similarly gurbani teaches me what is bhoot and pret by saying, ' ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਪਰੇਤੁ ਹੈ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਾ ॥ SGGS 513.13.

best regards
sahni

Harry Haller · May 19, 2013

life can be hard and challenging enough without the added complication of imaginary creatures, however it is not for us in my view to correct anyone.

We all have the power and ability to focus our minds on the positive or the negative, if one were to believe in the supernatural, I feel it is a dangerous negative road to follow.

What concerns me is that there are people in authority and power, who are in a position to influence others, that have clearly never heard of the word 'metaphor'

For such people a balanced argument should exist not for correction, but to counter what I would call, very basic interpretation for the benefit of others

findingmyway · May 19, 2013

palaingtha said:
When following Gurbani (remembering Akaal), ghosts and spirits cannot influence you (as you no longer waste your time or energy thinking about them).
That is what I say Gurbani believes in the existence of these evil spirits as you will find from the above translation posted by you. My saying is that much only. Those who are remembering God "Sas Giras" do not have to fear the evil spirits. I saw these evil spirits and I avoided in disturbing them, while my friend, might have offended them and he had to pay with his life.

Palaingtha ji, you've missed the point. If something can only control you if its in your head then the chance of it being physical is very small!! Therefore, as per the shabad think about them no more........

palaingtha · May 19, 2013

Gyani Jarnail Singh said:
THEN WHY do we continue to LABOUR and WASTE TIME..on these spirits bhoots ?? Dont we get the basic point.."WASTING TIME and ENERGY.....on a subject thats inst worth an IOTA as far as GURBANI is concerned.....GURU Jis is repeatedly saying..READ GURBANI....dont WASTE TIME..and some among us are repeatedly saying..NO GURU JI..I HAVE TO keep on WASTING TIME...MY time as well as others time..becasue I am psychotic..deadly terrified of bhoots..so please forgive me..I MUST WASTE time...Guru Ji says..THERE is NOT ENOUGH TIME for GURBANI/AKAAL....but we say..no no no..I do have plenty of time to WASTE/KILL....so i must go on beating this DEAD BHOOT till it gets up and scares the living Bovine backend out of me...sigh....let the others concentarte on GURBANI..i have my OBSESSION....SIGH....

Gurbani has given us the remedy for threats (if one has) FROM EVIL SPIRITS to rely on GurbanI and repete of God's name.
The matter here under discussion is the existence of evil spirits or not.
Man faces threats from several angles and he looks around for remedies. The threat from evil spirits to be met with repetition of God's name "Sas Giras"

There is a threat to India from China. We contemplate on how to overcome this threat. Saying there is no China will not help. China exists, a threat is also there.
In the same way what Gurbani says 'evil spirits are there and there may also be threat to some one from these evil spirits. Gurbani gives us remedy " repeat the name of God and the threat will vanish". With remedy Guru Sahib gives us 'the existence of evil spirits is not in question' but the threat can be obliterated.
I have not started this discussion but Harry Haller has. Put this question to him and let us know his answer in the light of your sermon to me.
Some months back I had related an experience on evil spirits that I had gone through. I neer said I was afraid in any way.
You had also given your experience with a Road-Magician which you retracted. I have stood my ground and it was very much there that I had experienced.
One must have courage to meet anybody's challenge and NOT COWED DOWN.

I will again repeat "Gurbani accepts the existence of Evil Spirits" and that is the subject matter of this discussion.

Now the ball is in your court as to (1) accept the existence of evil spirits and (2) why Harry Haller is wasting time? (like you said above, but directing the question towards me instead of Harry Haller). I am not afraid of Bhoots. I had only related an experience I had during 1945. If you still feel it was my hallucination, then you have to answer "WHY MY FRIEND DIED THE SAME NIGHT ASKING FOR BHAT MACHI?" which the doctor in attendance advised not to give.

palaingtha · May 19, 2013

findingmyway said:
Palaingtha ji, you've missed the point. If something can only control you if its in your head then the chance of it being physical is very small!! Therefore, as per the shabad think about them no more........

You are missing the point in relation to the discussion. Let us confine to "Do evil spirits exist in the light of Gur Vichar"?
Evil spirits are not in my mind. I had related an experience of having seen imps relishing rice and fish placed on a big leaf by the road side along which runs a canal where I stopped and my friend overtaking me crossed the thing while proceeding on his path. He must have disturbed the evil spirits. He fell ill and all the time asking for Bhat Machi and, on refusal died the same night.

The question here is "do evil spirits exist in view of Gur Vichar"?

Gurbani gives remedy for countering evil spirits. A remedy can only be suggested if there is a cause of threat. To overcome the threat from evil spirits Gurbani says "Repeat the name of God and no evil spirit can harm you".

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