vijaydeep Singh
SPNer
Gurfateh
Dear Brother,
hindu Arti does not exist as at the time of Arti of Idols hindus were not an entity.
yes Guru Maharaj did oppsed idols and if you read Brahmsutra bu Lord Ved Vysa you will find again anti ido things but they remained theoratical but we are in fact told to break idols.
'These hindu worship Stone,thier mind is like stone,One day my Khalsa will rise to destroy the Devals(Temple)'
Guru Gobind Singh Ji Said this in Sau Sakhi.
let us see Dasham Granth.
'These hill people are idol worshipper while I Am idol breaker'.
Jaffer Nammah.
Being against idolartry is something good for Hindus as from the time of Jainism and Budhism Aryans forsake thier God and went to idolarty and kept on bveing defeated by invaders.
See in Guru Granth Sahib,Das is a former hindu and his father still has faith in Narad Bhakti Sutra(where only idolaroty and worship of person or demigod is preached)This Sutra is by that person who does Bad act so that quota of evil is over soon and good things come fast.He misguides.
So See this verse from Guru Granth Sahib JI.
ਮਃ ੧ ॥
मः १ ॥
mehlaa 1.
First Mehl:
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥
हिंदू मूले भूले अखुटी जांही ॥
hindoo moolay bhoolay akhutee jaaNhee.
The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way.
ਨਾਰਦਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਿ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਾਂਹੀ ॥
नारदि कहिआ सि पूज करांही ॥
naarad kahi-aa se pooj karaaNhee.
As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols.
ਅੰਧੇ ਗੁੰਗੇ ਅੰਧ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥
अंधे गुंगे अंध अंधारु ॥
anDhay gungay anDh anDhaar.
They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind.
ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
पाथरु ले पूजहि मुगध गवार ॥
paathar lay poojeh mugaDh gavaar.
The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them.
ਓਹਿ ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਡੁਬੇ ਤੁਮ ਕਹਾ ਤਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
ओहि जा आपि डुबे तुम कहा तरणहारु ॥२॥
ohi jaa aap dubay tum kahaa taranhaar. ||2||
But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? ||2||
And 556.
The way Guru oppsed the idol worshipping by Hindus so did Gurus oppsed dead or grave worship by Muslims or Turks(True Muslim can not do suchg sin but Turk can do).
ਬੁਤ ਪੂਜਿ ਪੂਜਿ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਏ ਤੁਰਕ ਮੂਏ ਸਿਰੁ ਨਾਈ ॥
बुत पूजि पूजि हिंदू मूए तुरक मूए सिरु नाई ॥
but pooj pooj hindoo moo-ay turak moo-ay sir naa-ee.
Worshipping their idols, the Hindus die; the Muslims die bowing their heads to dead
Ang 654.
Das can appriciate that you are and can not be a Muslim.
But Sikh is real follower of Islam(Muslim) as Islam meand surrender to God totaly.
Then coming to Indianness.
Gurmat does not recoganse the national boundaries.It is compulsion of Hindus that they,in order to give justification to thier name(meaning dark from term Andhawar or darkness in Farsi) try to stick to this name.
Gurmat says that person of God needs to be like God and our God is Adesh,not bound to a particular country as found as much in India as in US or Pakistan.
Similar thing Prush Sutra of holy Veda and Book of Issaiah of Old Testment say.
IN Jaffernammah Guru call Prophet as Rasool and God as Allah and this gives confirmation to mool Mantra of Islam but further to it,Guru term Holy Kuran as word of God.
http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=1469
See the link above to read the whole text.It is better to un derstand Faith correctly then livng in utopia.
Some of the Das brethern did find Guru as offensie to Hindus and stoped to rever him.Even father of das who lived in utopia that Guru Nanak was Vedi Brahmin lost devotion.
But Truth is truth and as it is.
Guru said niether there is Muslim nor Hindu as God is Adharam,As God lives in all faith,so god is free from communal divisons.As we are Khalsa,purly one with God so any attempt to bring us to divisions of Hindus or Muslims is not as per our faith.
Lastly coming back to Arti issue.
Turban we wear is more nearer to Shias,Matha Tekna or our bowing is same as Sizda of Muslims and not like Dandwat (where whole body is upside dowen kept in front of worshipped and head to stomach to knees to toes touch the ground).
So if Sizda,is there in us,If Panj Sanan(same as Waju of Islam ie cleaning hands,feet and face) is there and nop objiection then what is so fuss about Arti or Yagna being done for Akal.
Das would like to say ligthing Lamps or say Candles or say buring incense on alter like Yagna is part of semtic faith also.
main thing which we need to understand after realising the Truth is that same God works in Hindus and non Hindus and same in Sikhs and non Sikhs.
and in faith code or ritualism etc. does not matter in our Faith first thing is to understand that who is our God.once we understand that then all bhed(differances) are over.
Forgive das if some hurting things are writttan but das is as much anti to Indianism of Hindutva people as Das oppose punjabism of Khalistani brothers.
Our God is limitless and we will never succeed to limti out God by regioanl boundaries.Akal Bless.
rajkhalsa said:
Dear Brother,
hindu Arti does not exist as at the time of Arti of Idols hindus were not an entity.
yes Guru Maharaj did oppsed idols and if you read Brahmsutra bu Lord Ved Vysa you will find again anti ido things but they remained theoratical but we are in fact told to break idols.
'These hindu worship Stone,thier mind is like stone,One day my Khalsa will rise to destroy the Devals(Temple)'
Guru Gobind Singh Ji Said this in Sau Sakhi.
let us see Dasham Granth.
'These hill people are idol worshipper while I Am idol breaker'.
Jaffer Nammah.
Being against idolartry is something good for Hindus as from the time of Jainism and Budhism Aryans forsake thier God and went to idolarty and kept on bveing defeated by invaders.
See in Guru Granth Sahib,Das is a former hindu and his father still has faith in Narad Bhakti Sutra(where only idolaroty and worship of person or demigod is preached)This Sutra is by that person who does Bad act so that quota of evil is over soon and good things come fast.He misguides.
So See this verse from Guru Granth Sahib JI.
ਮਃ ੧ ॥
मः १ ॥
mehlaa 1.
First Mehl:
ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥
हिंदू मूले भूले अखुटी जांही ॥
hindoo moolay bhoolay akhutee jaaNhee.
The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way.
ਨਾਰਦਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਿ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਾਂਹੀ ॥
नारदि कहिआ सि पूज करांही ॥
naarad kahi-aa se pooj karaaNhee.
As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols.
ਅੰਧੇ ਗੁੰਗੇ ਅੰਧ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥
अंधे गुंगे अंध अंधारु ॥
anDhay gungay anDh anDhaar.
They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind.
ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥
पाथरु ले पूजहि मुगध गवार ॥
paathar lay poojeh mugaDh gavaar.
The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them.
ਓਹਿ ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਡੁਬੇ ਤੁਮ ਕਹਾ ਤਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
ओहि जा आपि डुबे तुम कहा तरणहारु ॥२॥
ohi jaa aap dubay tum kahaa taranhaar. ||2||
But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? ||2||
And 556.
The way Guru oppsed the idol worshipping by Hindus so did Gurus oppsed dead or grave worship by Muslims or Turks(True Muslim can not do suchg sin but Turk can do).
ਬੁਤ ਪੂਜਿ ਪੂਜਿ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਏ ਤੁਰਕ ਮੂਏ ਸਿਰੁ ਨਾਈ ॥
बुत पूजि पूजि हिंदू मूए तुरक मूए सिरु नाई ॥
but pooj pooj hindoo moo-ay turak moo-ay sir naa-ee.
Worshipping their idols, the Hindus die; the Muslims die bowing their heads to dead
Ang 654.
Das can appriciate that you are and can not be a Muslim.
But Sikh is real follower of Islam(Muslim) as Islam meand surrender to God totaly.
Then coming to Indianness.
Gurmat does not recoganse the national boundaries.It is compulsion of Hindus that they,in order to give justification to thier name(meaning dark from term Andhawar or darkness in Farsi) try to stick to this name.
Gurmat says that person of God needs to be like God and our God is Adesh,not bound to a particular country as found as much in India as in US or Pakistan.
Similar thing Prush Sutra of holy Veda and Book of Issaiah of Old Testment say.
IN Jaffernammah Guru call Prophet as Rasool and God as Allah and this gives confirmation to mool Mantra of Islam but further to it,Guru term Holy Kuran as word of God.
http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=1469
See the link above to read the whole text.It is better to un derstand Faith correctly then livng in utopia.
Some of the Das brethern did find Guru as offensie to Hindus and stoped to rever him.Even father of das who lived in utopia that Guru Nanak was Vedi Brahmin lost devotion.
But Truth is truth and as it is.
Guru said niether there is Muslim nor Hindu as God is Adharam,As God lives in all faith,so god is free from communal divisons.As we are Khalsa,purly one with God so any attempt to bring us to divisions of Hindus or Muslims is not as per our faith.
Lastly coming back to Arti issue.
Turban we wear is more nearer to Shias,Matha Tekna or our bowing is same as Sizda of Muslims and not like Dandwat (where whole body is upside dowen kept in front of worshipped and head to stomach to knees to toes touch the ground).
So if Sizda,is there in us,If Panj Sanan(same as Waju of Islam ie cleaning hands,feet and face) is there and nop objiection then what is so fuss about Arti or Yagna being done for Akal.
Das would like to say ligthing Lamps or say Candles or say buring incense on alter like Yagna is part of semtic faith also.
main thing which we need to understand after realising the Truth is that same God works in Hindus and non Hindus and same in Sikhs and non Sikhs.
and in faith code or ritualism etc. does not matter in our Faith first thing is to understand that who is our God.once we understand that then all bhed(differances) are over.
Forgive das if some hurting things are writttan but das is as much anti to Indianism of Hindutva people as Das oppose punjabism of Khalistani brothers.
Our God is limitless and we will never succeed to limti out God by regioanl boundaries.Akal Bless.
