Re: "Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manyo Granth" and the Roadhaswami
There r people who went to gurudwara listen the Gurbani
Then Come Home and repeat the Gurbani
then again repeat the Gurbani
But never try to understand what it says
just try to understand with this Example
A boy goes to school
in the class his teacher reads from a book
and say " sare bache es practical ko apne ghar se karke aana"
boy comes home
finish his Lunch
Go to his Study table
and repeats the words " sare bache es practical ko apne ghar se karke aana"
before night he repeats again "sare bache es prac............"
take his dinner
then repeats again "sare bache es practical ko ghar.........."
he feels comfortable by repeating it again and again.
Now just review
Is the boy is dis honest?
No!
Did he dont want to do the homework ?
No! He wants.
Then where is the problem.
The problem is the person who tought him lession never did this practical before
All the people and students around him are like him
all of them listened and read the same lesson so many times
but any of them never did the practical.
some of them can read it from book but dont translate
because they dont know how to !
NOw
all he wants a practical teacher who himself did this practical already.and capable of
making him understand how to do it.
Very Simple.
but at the end of the day boy have to do the practical himself
because
teacher can make him understand
but cant do it for him
we all need a living guru
as much as we need a living doctor for our treatment
a living teacher for our children
a living advocate to handle our case
YEs we NEED him
but we can't find him (we r not capable of)
ONLY ONLY ONLY he can find us .(Wade Bhagan Nal he Pure satGuru de nal Milap Hunda hai) jis nu oh apne naal nahi milana chounda us de man wich oh DehDhari Guru lai Nafrat bhar dinda hai"
Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was Written by DehDhari Guru.
There were FIVE DehDhari Gurus after the creation of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Paramjit Singh Khehra
So in this post you are mentioning that a Dehdhari Guru (a complete Guru) is required to teach the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib & Sri Guru Granth Sahib was also written by Dehdharis which implies two things IMHO
1. Sri Guru Granth Sahib is not a complete Guru .
2. That the Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh " Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai , Guru Manyo Granth " is not in tune with reality & that a book can never be a Guru . Word can never be a Guru .
I give you following examples:
1. The real thing is the Gurbani ( knowledge ) as contained in Sri Guru Granth Sahib just as water is in the pitcher , here water is the WORD ( Gurbani ) contained in body & the pitcher is that body . The water ( Gurbani ) is required to quench that thirst , pitcher bereft of water is of no use to us.
2. All Sikh scholars like Sant Singh Maskeen Ji , Giani Pinderpal Singh Ji , Bhai Veer Singh , Principal Ganga Singh , Prof Sahib Singh ji etc etc or in history Bhai Gurdass Ji , Baba Budha Ji , Baba Deep Singh , Bhai Mani Singh , Bhai Nand Lal Ji were/are great Gurmukhs who IMHO were far above any of the RS Gurus as far as enlightenment goes . But none of them never ever had any doubts regarding the autenticity of the CONCEPT OF SHABAD GURU , never ever they projected themselves as the living Gurus .
3. A husband of an illetrate woman goes to a foreign country from there he sends her a letter in which it is written MY DEAR WIFE etc . The woman asks an educated person to read out that letter , if that educated person reading that letter starts to think that woman is his own wife then it is his mistake . It is actually not the reality .
The Dehdhari Gurus ( all not just RS Gurus ) quote extensively from Gurbani specifying the need for Guru , the importance of Guru & then taking a U turn suddenly ask you to accept THEM as the Gurus . The Guru is not the one who is quoting but that knowledge itself which was achieved by all Gurus as well as Bhagats , enlightened beings who got that knowledge when they were merged with Lord God ( became one with God ) while living only . The writings of those enlightened souls were included whose life also matched with those teachings many persons with a similar standard of writing like Peelu , Shah Hussain & many others were rejected because their lives did not match to what they preached . Please read my earlier long post to get yourself aquainted with the Concept of SHABAD GURU ( knowledge as teacher ) . Sri Guru Granth Sahib is such a revealed scripture that with little effort the stream of enlightment starts flowing & everything becomes crystal clear . The best tool to understand Gurbani today IMHO is Guru Granth Darpan written by Prof Sahib Singh Ji . The Dehdhari Gurus ( all no exceptions ) are themselves a slave of five theives ( Kaam , Krodh , Lobh , Moh , Ahankaar ) . Who knows under their influence where they will lead you to ? All are master business tycoons selling their wares ( Sangat Database ) to their buyers ( political parties ) & exploiting Sangat in all sorts of ways .
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ECONOMICS OF THE DERAS:
I wish to clear some plain facts about the mushrooming growth of Deras especially in Punjab . The mother of this is elecoral politics . It is a known fact that in Indian elections votes r sold at a price to political parties , however the exact modus operandi is unclear to many . This is how it works :
There r following political elections held in all states but rates mentioned r specific to Punjab only ;
1. Panchayat Elections , Rate per vote is 5000- 7000 Indian rupees for election of Panches , a furthur expense of 1000/ per vote is incurred to buy Panches for election of the Sarpanch .
2. Block Samiti Elections : Rate per vote is 1000-2000 , liquor bottles , Poppy husk & few hundreds rupees do the trick
3. Muncipal Committee Elections : Rate is again 1000 - 2000 per vote , same means r used for distribution
4. Muncipal Corporation Elections ( For Big Cities ) : Rate is 2000-2500 per vote for electing councillors , a furthur expense of 500 is made for electing Mayor.
5. Lok Sabha Elections : Rate is 1000-2000 per vote.
6 . Assembly Elections : This is the mother of all elections . Rate is 6000- 8000 per vote , moreover the winner takes the all important Chief Minister Ship chair . So in total a vote costs ( Earns ) Rs 16,000 - 25000 ( 400 USD to 625 USD ) in all 5 years.
All the Deras, all they have to do is to invite some political leader to some big SATSANG & that political leader pays his RESPECTS to Dera Chief in front of DEVOTEES. The leader gets the unusual big crowd, the public gets to see the amount of CLOUT OF BABAJI & to top it all the BABAJI gets his DUE SHARE proportionately. Each vote multiplied by 16,000 to 25,000 Rupees. This BOOTY is in the form of CASH & KIND like land allotment, posting of police officers teachers, health workers, transfers of various officials to PLUM places.
Some months back Radha Soami Satsang Beas came to light when they GRABBED a prime real eastate land in Mohali worth about 2800 - 3,000 Crores (700 Million USD) in Mohali for peanuts. The ruckus in press & media forced them to forego 50% of that land. Still they got to keep land worth 350 Million US Dollars. The Sacha Sauda DeraChief had his Brother In Law (Harminder Singh Jassi) a Congress Ticket from Bhatinda superseding Surinder Singla & a promise of withdrawl of CBI enquiry against him various cases of rape, Murdur etc.
In 2002 Sonia Gandhi visited RSS Beas just before elections at Beas headquarter & spent a full day there to inagaurate an EYE DONATION CAMP alonwith Natwar Singh , Amarinder Singh , Murli Deora among others. On 30th March, 2008, LK Advani visited Maharaj Gurinder Singh, Dera head at RSS, Beas. According to known eyewitnesses , the Baba saluted Advani while greeting him . The Akais r also playing this game of FAITH & POLITICS albiet differently . The so called Panthic Party SAD ( Badal ) has a SECULAR CONSTITUTION under which it fights SGPC elections.
It treats Sikh votes under the influence of Gurudwaras as a free BONUS VOTE , Ghar di murgi dal barabar . But spends the same rate to get votes from Deras as Congress or now new player in the game BJP . As aresult Deras r wooed by all parties & Deras r rolling in money but traditional Sikh Voter is left high & dry . Gurudwaras get nothing in return , SGPC budget is spent on election rallies & horse trading of SAD ( Badal ) . The preaching of Sikhism is left to Non- Government institutions like Sikh Missionary College , Ludhiana & Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle , Ludhiana . They r not at all helped by Akalis or SGPC financially ., rather hurdles r put in their way .
Gurudwaras r controlled by Jats , Dalits r discriminated against in villages . As a result nobody is willing to take the issues of Sikhs , Dera supporters r active in almost every sphere be it Panchayats , Corporations .Some serious introspection is required for revival of Sikhism & slow down this Mushrooming Deras in Punjab )"
This is not a personality attack if this is according to you then I promise that it will be the last one . From now onwards we shall discuss the topic only .