The Bull is called Nandi, and it is a mount of Shiva. And in each age, the Bull is losing one of it's legs until the time of Kaliyug when the Dharma Bull is standing on only one leg.
Who cares? I am sticking to Guru Ji.
~ Vaar 23 Pauri 18 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji
Please read last Vaak by Bhai Gurdas ji, rest is reference of prevailed stories, nothing more.
Does Gurbani tell us untruths which we can disregard or disbelieve? Clearly here Gurbani tells the truth of degradation of spirituality through the ages by clearly using the analogy of the Dharma Bull
.Gurbani is using those stories to convey Guru’s own views on all this. Other thing, please never call Bhai Gurdas’s Vaaran Gurbani.
I am referring to Gurbani which makes reference to the Dharma Bull and to how Dharma is falling off it's legs. I cited Vaaran of Bhai Gurdas because it explains well how the Gurbani talking about Dharma, and Gurbani talking about the Dharma Bull are covering the same ground. Or are you not aware that Gurbani discusses Dharma in the same way as reference to Dharm Bull?
ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਇਕ ਕਲ ਕੀਨੀ ਦੂਰਿ ॥
thraethai eik kal keenee dhoor ||
In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, one leg was removed.
ਪਾਖੰਡੁ ਵਰਤਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਜਾਣਨਿ ਦੂਰਿ ॥
paakhandd varathiaa har jaanan dhoor ||
Hypocrisy became prevalent, and people thought that the Lord was far away.
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੂਝੈ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥
guramukh boojhai sojhee hoee ||
The Gurmukhs still understood and realized;
ਅੰਤਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥੨॥
anthar naam vasai sukh hoee ||2||
the Naam abided deep within them, and they were at peace. ||2||
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
dhuaapur dhoojai dhubidhhaa hoe ||
In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, duality and double-mindedness arose.
ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਨੇ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਦੋਇ ॥
bharam bhulaanae jaanehi dhoe ||
Deluded by doubt, they knew duality.
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਧਰਮਿ ਦੁਇ ਪੈਰ ਰਖਾਏ ॥
dhuaapur dhharam dhue pair rakhaaeae ||
In this Brass Age, Dharma was left with only two feet.
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਏ ॥੩॥
guramukh hovai th naam dhrirraaeae ||3||
Those who became Gurmukh implanted the Naam deep within. ||3||
ਕਲਜੁਗਿ ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਇਕ ਰਹਾਏ ॥
kalajug dhharam kalaa eik rehaaeae ||
In the Iron Age of Kali Yuga, Dharma was left with only one power.
ਇਕ ਪੈਰਿ ਚਲੈ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਵਧਾਏ ॥
eik pair chalai maaeiaa mohu vadhhaaeae ||
It walks on just one foot; love and emotional attachment to Maya have increased.
~SGGS Ji p. 880
ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੁਮਰਾ ਮਹਾਦੇਉ ਧਉਲੇ ਬਲਦ ਚੜਿਆ ਆਵਤੁ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਥਾ ॥
paanddae thumaraa mehaadhaeo dhhoulae baladh charriaa aavath dhaekhiaa thhaa ||
O Pandit, I saw your great god Shiva, riding along on a white bull.
~SGGS Ji p. 874
"But Gurbani doesn't say Hindu religion is worthless"
You are mixing up things, jumping on conclusion, I never stated that Hinduism is worthless, please don’t cook your own views on my behalf, I respect Hinduism as much as I respect my own religion. That also proves that you spend less time in reading my posts but more time just to conclude your own decisions. Please do not do this to me., I resent that. Like in Hinduism, there is lot of imaginative literature found on Sikhism, does it make Sikhism worthless as per your approach? COME ON. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT. I DIDN’T EXPECT THIS KIND OF FALSE ACCUSATION FROM YOU IN MY DREAMS, YOU STUNNED ME
I didn't say that you said Hinduism is worthless. I said nowhere in Gurbani does it say Hindu religion is worthless because in nearly all your posts you talk about how every Hindu concept in Gurbani is useless to Sikhs now, to be discarded, to be rejected, to be ignored.
And I do not agree. I think many Sikhs do not even understand concept of dasam duar, or Naam, or amrit trickling down the throat, or yugs, or how Guru's could be one Jyot, or how Guru could speak from God-consciousness without physically being God, or how Guru is different from previous avatars, etc. without having some basic understanding of the Vedic concepts as they are used in Gurbani and in supportive vaaran. These are not meaningless concepts to be discarded or they would not be in Gurbani.
Where is the false accusation you are going on about? You are not saying repeatedly any knowledge or clarification coming from Vedantic sources is worth ignoring as useless for a Sikh? And so I addressed this view, "Where in Gurbani does Guru say Hindu religion is worthless, because in pauri after pauri Guru is speaking within the context and framework of Vedanta. So it's not discarded at all. It's corrected, clarified and improved upon. That is my opinion. Didn't you write on another post that simply sharing these things would cause Sikhs to run to a Hindu mandir and become Hindus? You don't have to agree with it or follow every post I write with endless personal disagreements. Write what you believe and understand. Why does it offend you so much that I have a different opinion? I'm nowhere attacking you personally except to try and answer objections. Why should I be defensive? Agree or don't agree.
What can I do? Accept your imaginative meanings? Here is another recommendation, please read aad0002 ji’s on “three qualities of Maya” she has explained beautifully without slipping into imaginative worlds.
Why put down the high compliment you paid to Aad0002 by including put down of me personally? Why not simply say, "I prefer this view?"
Where did I disagree with you on this? Our issue is Hindu Avtara and God’s incarnation. I proved again and again that He doesn’ take birth, yesterday just to support your own views you distorted the meaning of Fifth Nanak’s statement that God doesn’t take birth. What can I do?
You did not prove. I am not persuaded. Not only in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but also in Dasam Granth Bani Ji and vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji is there reference to avtaaras. I don't believe you understand the concept. You think I'm distorting Gurbani. We cannot continue further, since neither will persuade the other.
ਤਿਮੁਤਿਮੁਕਰਅਵਤਾਰਕਹਾਏ॥
Tim(u) tim(u) kar avtaar kahaae||
Bhain ji, just think” avtar kuhaye” means they claimed to be Avtar, it is my observation after reading all your quotes Gurbani, you have no inkling of the meaning of the quote you refer to, you just go by reading words like avtar, yogi,yuga, Vishnu, then start jumping on conclusion, and "copy and tape it.” practice goes on by Saying” see here is avtar, here is yoga word etc”, obviously never try to understand the context. Words change meaning in different context, just take example of words like “ shabad, Guru,Gurmukh” they change meaning in different contexts, is it hard to understand that simple thing?
ਆਵਾ ਗਉਣੁ ਨਿਵਾਰਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਨਦਰਿ ਨੀਸਾਣੁ ॥
aavaa goun nivaariou kar nadhar neesaan ||
You eliminate the comings and goings of reincarnation, and bestow the insignia of Your Glance of Grace.
ਅਉਤਰਿਆ ਅਉਤਾਰੁ ਲੈ ਸੋ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸੁਜਾਣੁ ॥
aouthariaa aouthaar lai so purakh sujaan ||
You are the Avataar, the Incarnation of the all-knowing Primal Lord.
~SGGS Ji p. 968
He Gurbani does not say descent from Divine manifestation is a punishment incarnation but to enlighten a world in darkness, and neither does it say Guru "claimed" to be avtaar.
ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਸਿਕ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ॥੬॥
har naam rasik naanak gur raaj jog thai maaniou ||6||
You are blessed with the Nectar of the Lord's Name, O Guru Nanak; You have mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoy sovereignty over both worlds. ||6||
ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥
sathajug thai maaniou shhaliou bal baavan bhaaeiou ||
In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the form of a dwarf.
ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
thraethai thai maaniou raam raghuvans kehaaeiou ||
In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty.
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥
dhuaapur kirasan muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou ||
In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans.
ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥
ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou ||
You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness.
ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou ||
In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das.
ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥
sree guroo raaj abichal attal aadh purakh furamaaeiou ||7||
The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7||
~SGGS Ji p. 1390
Interpret Gurbani to the best of your ability. That is all I'm trying to do. It's a diswcussion forum. If you don't accept it, that's fine. I can't persuade anyone, only show very beautiful and interesting things. I invite you to consider the sexual adventures you constantly refer to as being another element of Maya, generation and perhaps degeneration of the creative principle in corrupted ages. I don't believe devtas are quite on the same level as a human being, although the ensuing degeneration is in fact what is keeping human beings in bondage to Maya through karam. Let's evaluate things with reason and not crudely as if such designations are intended as a put down or presumed inferiority of Hindu religion. Guruji was correcting that all the devtas fell into the bondage of Time and Maya, and these Vedic stories are His example. I explained several times that the Mahadevas are the creative principle, primarily Vishnu which is why He has the 10 incarnations of avataaras spoken of in Gurbani. Even the physical forms of Guru were in Time, as they all died. And this is why it is clear Sikh is not to worship or idolize either the sargun saroop of Hindu devtas or humanity of the 10 human forms and 11th physical form of the God-conscious Jyot (avtaar) of Guruji. But we pay homage to the Shabad-Jyot Himself which encompasses both nirgun and sargun reality.
Those avtars who involved in promiscuous sex activities and lost in Maya, do not rise to the level of high spirituality. One cannot enjoy lust and then claim he/she is high spiritual being.
Gurbani says this, not me. But you are so busy being offended and rejecting that you can't see it.
ਏਕ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੰ ਸਰਬ ਦੇਵਾ ਦੇਵ ਦੇਵਾ ਤ ਆਤਮਾ ॥
eaek kirasanan sarab dhaevaa dhaev dhaevaa th aathamaa ||
The One Lord Krishna is the Divine Lord of all; He is the Divinity of the individual soul.
ਆਤਮਾ ਬਾਸੁਦੇਵਸ੍ਯ੍ਯਿ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਉ ॥ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਦਾਸੁ ਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦੇਉ ॥੪॥
aathamaa baasudhaevasiy jae ko jaanai bhaeo || naanak thaa kaa dhaas hai soee niranjan dhaeo ||4||
Nanak is a slave to anyone who understands this mystery of the all-pervading Lord; he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||4||
~SGGS Ji p. 469
ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥
aapae gopee kaan hai piaaraa ban aapae goo charaahaa ||
The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods.
ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥
aapae saaval sundharaa piaaraa aapae vans vajaahaa ||
The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute.
ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥
kuvaleeaa peerr aap maraaeidhaa piaaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa ||2||
The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2||
ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥
aap akhaarraa paaeidhaa piaaraa kar vaekhai aap chojaahaa ||
The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them.
ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥
kar baalak roop oupaaeidhaa piaaraa chanddoor kans kaes maaraahaa ||
The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee.
ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥
aapae hee bal aap hai piaaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugadhhaahaa ||3||
The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3||
ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥
sabh aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa piaaraa vas aapae jugath hathhaahaa ||
The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages.
~SGGS Ji p. 606
ਚਰਨ ਬਧਿਕ ਜਨ ਤੇਊ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਭਏ ॥
charan badhhik jan thaeoo mukath bheae ||
The hunter who shot Krishna in the foot - even he was liberated.
~SGGS Ji p. 345
ਜਾਇ ਸੁਤਾ ਪਰਭਾਸ ਵਿਚਿ ਗੋਡੇ ਉਤੇ ਪੈਰ ਪਸਾਰੇ ।
jaai sutaa parabhaas vichi goday utay pair pasaaray|
At the sacred place of Prabhas, Krishna slept cross legged with his foot on his knee.
ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਦਮੁ ਹੈ ਝਿਲਮਿਲ ਝਲਕੇ ਵਾਂਗੀ ਤਾਰੇ ।
charan kaval vichi padamu hai jhilamil jhalakay vaangee taaray|
The lotus sign in his foot was illuminating like a star.
ਬਧਕੁ ਆਇਆ ਭਾਲਦਾ ਮਿਰਗੈ ਜਾਣਿ ਬਾਣੁ ਲੈ ਮਾਰੇ ।
badhaku aaiaa bhaaladaa miragai jaani baanu|ai maaray|
A hunter came and considering it an eye of a deer, shot the arrow.
ਦਰਸਨ ਡਿਠੋਸੁ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਵ ਕਰੇ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ ।
darasan ditdosu jaai kai karan palaav karay pukaaray|
As he approached, he realised it was Krishna. He became full of sorrow and begged forgiveness.
ਗਲਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਲੀਤਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਜੀ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ ਕੀਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ ।
gali vichi|eetaa krisan jee avagunu keetaa hari n chitaaray|
Krishna ignored his wrong act and embraced him.
ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਸੰਤੋਖਿਆ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੁ ਬਿਰਦੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ।
kari kirapaa santokhiaa patit udhaaranu biradu beechaaray|
Gracefully Krishna asked him to be full of perseverance and gave sactuary to the wrongdoer.
ਭਲੇ ਭਲੇ ਕਰਿ ਮੰਨੀਅਨਿ ਬੁਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੇ ।
bhalay bhalay kari manneeani buriaan day hari kaaj savaaray|
The good is said good by everyone but the works of the evil doers are set right by the Lord only.
ਪਾਪ ਕਰੇਂਦੇ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥੨੩॥੧੦॥
paap karaynday patit udhaaray ॥23॥10॥
He has liberated many fallen sinners.
~ Vaar 10 Pauri 23 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji
Our issue is Hindu Avtara and God’s incarnation. I proved again and again that He doesn’ take birth,
Of course He takes birth. He created Himself in the creation. In His Parabrahm aspect He is uncreated and cannot be born. But no one in sansaara could perceive Him. So He became manifest descending Light into the darkness of sansaaric world. And this is the meaning of avataar. Not that avataar is the Parabrahm, only the sargun form which is perceivable.
ਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਉਪਜੇ ਦਸ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥
sunnahu oupajae dhas avathaaraa ||
From the Primal Void, the ten incarnations welled up.
ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਪਾਇ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥
srisatt oupaae keeaa paasaaraa ||
Creating the Universe, He made the expanse.
ਦੇਵ ਦਾਨਵ ਗਣ ਗੰਧਰਬ ਸਾਜੇ ਸਭਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਇਦਾ ॥੧੨॥
dhaev dhaanav gan gandhharab saajae sabh likhiaa karam kamaaeidhaa ||12||
He fashioned the demi-gods and demons, the heavenly heralds and celestial musicians; everyone acts according to their past karma. ||12||
~SGGS Ji p. 1038
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਦੇਵ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
brehamaa bisan mehaes dhaev oupaaeiaa ||
Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and the deities were created.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਪੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਆ ॥
brehamae dhithae baedh poojaa laaeiaa ||
Brahma was given the Vedas, and enjoined to worship God.
ਦਸ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਆਇਆ ॥
dhas avathaaree raam raajaa aaeiaa ||
The ten incarnations, and Rama the king, came into being.
ਦੈਤਾ ਮਾਰੇ ਧਾਇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥
dhaithaa maarae dhhaae hukam sabaaeiaa ||
According to His Will, they quickly killed all the demons.
ਈਸ ਮਹੇਸੁਰੁ ਸੇਵ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
ees mehaesur saev thinhee anth n paaeiaa ||
Shiva serves Him, but cannot find His limits.
ਸਚੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ਤਖਤੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
sachee keemath paae thakhath rachaaeiaa ||
He established His throne on the principles of Truth.
ਦੁਨੀਆ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇ ਆਪੁ ਛਪਾਇਆ ॥
dhuneeaa dhhandhhai laae aap shhapaaeiaa ||
He enjoined all the world to its tasks, while He keeps Himself hidden from view.
~SGGS Ji p. 1279
I simply do not see where Gurbani says the Hindu devas do not exist or are fairy-tales. But everywhere they are shown as an integral part of manifest creation and even as legitimate spirituality and path to the Uncreated Parabrahm for past ages.
"Talk of 10 carnation", that is, I thanks Bhain ji, nothing more than that, talk doesn’t make it a reality, numerous times I wrote that Gurbani doesn’t verify about their being reality...
Who cares? I am sticking to Guru Ji...
You are most welcome to assume that, not me, Gurbani doesn’t support their being of higher spiritual beings. Varaan are also written on Raagas, are they individuals?
Here again you are failed to understand Gurbani and act of Ninth Nanak. Freedom of religion, that was for what Ninth Nanak gave life...
and we should now convert them to be Sikhs since we have “the One true God.” That’s so Abrahamic
BHAIN JI PLEASE, REMAINS FOCUSED. DID I EVER SAID OR EXPRESSED SUCH KIND OF LOW VIEWS?. SOME THING IS WRONG HERE, YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE WRITTEN THAT..
It seems you cannot accept where Gurbani is saying Nirgun Parabrahm has created the creation and is manifest in His creation and that creation and Hindu devtas are none other than He. So I presume this to be an Abrahamic concept that One God is forever separate from His creation. Since Sikh's have the One Ek Oangkar and not the Hindu's, maybe they should convert? It's a logical step following the presumption that Hindu devas are only corrupted or mythological, and a true distortion of Gurbani teaching about manifestation of Parabrahm Jyot in Time-Space and thus falling into the three gunas and duality. Gurbani says Guruji brought us the Shabad-Jyot and this Naam which is vibrating in the nirgun as well as the sargun and remains the only boat which is uncorrupted. Nowhere does Gurbani say Hindu devas are invalid, unreal, and provided no Light of God for past ages.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥
breham giaanee aap nirankaar ||
The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਬਨੀ ॥
breham giaanee kee sobhaa breham giaanee banee ||
The glory of the God-conscious being belongs to the God-conscious being alone.
ਨਾਨਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਰਬ ਕਾ ਧਨੀ ॥੮॥੮॥
naanak breham giaanee sarab kaa dhhanee ||8||8||
O Nanak, the God-conscious being is the Lord of all. ||8||8||
~SGGS Ji p. 274
ਬੈਸਨੋ ਸੋ ਜਿਸੁ ਊਪਰਿ ਸੁਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ॥
baisano so jis oopar suprasann ||
The true Vaishnaav, the devotee of Vishnu, is the one with whom God is thoroughly pleased.
ਬਿਸਨ ਕੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਭਿੰਨ ॥
bisan kee maaeiaa thae hoe bhinn ||
He dwells apart from Maya.
ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਿਹਕਰਮ ॥
karam karath hovai nihakaram ||
Performing good deeds, he does not seek rewards.
ਤਿਸੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਕਾ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਧਰਮ ॥
this baisano kaa niramal dhharam ||
Spotlessly pure is the religion of such a Vaishnaav;
~SGGS Ji p. 274
That is my true understanding. There are pure and impure forms of religion...even in Sikhism. This is Kalyug. True religion is hard to aquire. But the beauty of the past does not become unbeautiful simply because this is a corrupted age. And the beauty of Gurbani contains all the beauty of the past or these definitions, stories, teachings and explanations would not be in Gurbani.
What intelligent aspect you have been debating? Hindu avtars were of high spirituality? Is that the intelligent one? Based on misunderstanding of Gurbani, you are falsely saying Gurbani accepts their reality? What kind of intelligence is this?
This is what I mean by discarding and disrespecting the validity of Hindu religion in some mistaken attempt to convince people of the independance of Sikh teaching. And hence I wrote: "Where does Gurbani say Hindu religion is worthless." Because to consider no Light of God at all in Hindu devas is a really low opinion of Hindu religion.
~Bhul chak maaf karni ji
