Understanding Gurbani

[Sikh80]

It is nice idea and I second it.
It would be so nice if we start from ang.1 and continue thru. Japji sahib.
Yes it may be posted thru. formation of a group. Some members may not like to join.

 

[Astroboy]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and International Akaali Jee!

Truth convinces a person only after he has experienced Truth. Getting this experience is vesaahee-ai.
The origin of the word Khar is the Sanskrit word Chhar, perishable. Vakharu is something different that is not perishable. Similarly Akhar does not perish. Truth does not perish either.
Similarly Vesaahu is the true experience.

Everyone can now go through the revered Guru's Vaaks where the above words occur and enjoy the essence of those at different level of consciousness.

Let this be another present to the whole world of spiritually growing people who love to have Satsang with Gurbaanee.


Balbir Singh

Here are some verses of Bhagat Namdev to contemplate upon :-

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ਟੋਡੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਭਗਤ ਕੀ
todee banee bhagtaaN kee​

todee, The Word Of The Devotees:

ੴ ਸਿਤਗੁਰ ਪਰ੍ਸਾਿਦ ॥​

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:​

ਕੋਈ ਬੋਲੈ ਿਨਰਵਾ ਕੋਈ ਬੋਲੈ ਦੂਿਰ ॥
ko-ee bolai nirvaa ko-ee bolai door.
Some say that He is near, and others say that He is far away.​

ਜਲ ਕੀ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਚਰੈ ਖਜੂਿਰ ॥੧॥
jal kee maachhulee charai khajoor. ||1||
We might just as well say that the fish climbs out of the water, up the tree. ||1||​

ਕਇ ਰੇ ਬਕਬਾਦੁ ਲਾਇਓ ॥
kaaN-ay ray bakbaad laa-i-o.
Why do you speak such nonsense?​

ਿਜਿਨ ਹਿਰ ਪਾਇਓ ਿਤਨਿਹ ਛਪਾਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
jin har paa-i-o tineh chhapaa-i-o. ||1|| rahaa-o.
One who has found the Lord, keeps quiet about it. ||1||Pause||​

ਪੰਿਡਤੁ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਬੇਦੁ ਬਖਾਨੈ ॥
pandit ho-ay kai bayd bakhaanai.
Those who become Pandits, religious scholars, recite the Vedas,​

ਮੂਰਖੁ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਰਾਮਿਹ ਜਾਨੈ ॥੨॥੧॥
moorakh naamday-o raameh jaanai. ||2||1||
but foolish Naam Dayv knows only the Lord. ||2||1||​

ਕਉਨ ਕੋ ਕਲੰਕੁ ਰਿਹਓ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੇਤ ਹੀ ॥
ka-un ko kalank rahi-o raam naam layt hee.
Whose blemishes remain, when one chants the Lord's Name?​

ਪਿਤਤ ਪਿਵਤ ਭਏ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹਤ ਹੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
patit pavit bha-ay raam kahat hee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Sinners become pure, chanting the Lord's Name. ||1||Pause||​

ਰਾਮ ਸੰਿਗ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜਨ ਕਉ ਪਰ੍ਤਿਗਆ ਆਈ ॥
raam sang naamdayv jan ka-o partagi-aa aa-ee.
With the Lord, servant Naam Dayv has come to have faith.​

ਏਕਾਦਸੀ ਬਰ੍ਤੁ ਰਹੈ ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਤੀਰਥ ਜਾੲ ਂ ੀ ॥੧॥
aykaadasee barat rahai kaahay ka-o tirath jaa-eeN. ||1||​

I have stopped fasting on the eleventh day of each month; why should I bother to go on

pilgrimages to sacred shrines? ||1||​

ਭਨਿਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਿਕਰ੍ਤ ਸੁਮਿਤ ਭਏ ॥​

bhanat naamday-o sukarit sumat bha-ay.
Prays Naam Dayv, I have become a man of good deeds and good thoughts.

ਗੁਰਮਿਤ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਿਹ ਕੋ ਕੋ ਨ ਬੈਕੁੰਿਠ ਗਏ ॥੨॥੨॥​

gurmat raam kahi ko ko na baikunth ga-ay. ||2||2||
Chanting the Lord's Name, under Guru's Instructions, who has not gone to heaven? ||2||2||

ਤੀਿਨ ਛੰਦੇ ਖੇਲੁ ਆਛੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥​

teen chhanday khayl aachhai. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Here is a verse with a three-fold play on words. ||1||Pause||

ਕੁੰਭਾਰ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਹਡੀ ਆਛੈ ਰਾਜਾ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਸਡੀ ਗੋ ॥
kumbhaar kay ghar haaNdee aachhai raajaa kay ghar saaNdee go.​

In the potter's home there are pots, and in the king's home there are camels.

ਬਾਮਨ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਰਡੀ ਆਛੈ ਰਡੀ ਸਡੀ ਹਡੀ ਗੋ ॥੧॥
baaman kay ghar raadee
aachhai raaNdee saaNdee haaNdee go. ||1||
In the Brahmin's home there are widows. So here they are haandee, saandee, raandee.||1||​

ਬਾਣੀਏ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਹੀਂਗੁ ਆਛੈ ਭੈਸਰ ਮਾਥੈ ਸੀਂਗੁ ਗੋ ॥​

baanee-ay kay ghar heeNg aachhai bhaisar maathai seeNg go.
In the home of the grocer is asafoetida; on the forehead of the buffalo are horns.

ਦੇਵਲ ਮਧੇ ਲੀਗੁ ਆਛੈ ਲੀਗੁ ਸੀਗੁ ਹੀਗੁ ਗੋ ॥੨॥​

dayval maDhay leeg aachhai leeg seeg heeg go. ||2||
In the temple of Shiva there are lingams. So here they are: heeng, seeng, leeng. ||2||

ਤੇਲੀ ਕੈ ਘਰ ਤੇਲੁ ਆਛੈ ਜੰਗਲ ਮਧੇ ਬੇਲ ਗੋ ॥​

taylee kai ghar tayl aachhai jangal maDhay bayl go.
In the house of the oil-presser there is oil; in the forest there are vines.

ਮਾਲੀ ਕੇ ਘਰ ਕੇਲ ਆਛੈ ਕੇਲ ਬੇਲ ਤੇਲ ਗੋ ॥੩॥​

maalee kay ghar kayl aachhai kayl bayl tayl go. ||3||
In the gardener's home there are bananas. So here they are: tayl, bayl, kayl. ||3||

ਸੰਤ ਮਧੇ ਗੋਿਬੰਦੁ ਆਛੈ ਗੋਕਲ ਮਧੇ ਿਸਆਮ ਗੋ ॥
jantaaN maDhay gobind aachhai gokal maDhay si-aam go.
The Lord of the Universe, Govind, is within His Saints; Krishna, Shyaam, is in Gokal.

ਨਾਮੇ ਮਧੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਆਛੈ ਰਾਮ ਿਸਆਮ ਗੋਿਬੰਦ ਗੋ ॥੪॥੩॥
naamay maDhay raam aachhai raam si-aam gobind go. ||4||3||
The Lord, Raam, is in Naam Dayv. So here they are: Raam, Shyaam, Govind. ||4||3||
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[spnadmin]

Santokh ji

Thanks for blessing the thread with the Shabad you have chosen. This evening I was listening to rajkhalsa's presentation of Sukhmani Sahib. Making ourselves silent, staying focused on the Creator, finding Him within ourselves: these ideas as above are the pathway to being in His presence. Finding our salvation. Discovering our freedom.

 

[spnadmin]

International Akaali ji

If I open up one or two groups -- one for study of SGGS and the other for discussions of topics -- what should should we do next? It is not clear how to announce to forum members that a Group has been opened? IWould like to hear more of your thoughts about how to get the discussions started.

Note: I did experiment in Groups just to see how it works. Now the creation of the group has to be moderated. So as soon as I understand more about the mechanics of this process, we can go back to your ideas and see what we do next.

 

[simpy]

This is a good idea.

me neech will be more than happy to be a part of such effort. Aad Ji, International Akaali Ji, Sikh80 Ji..... GOOD THINKING

one thing that you all must consider while creating such group: not allowing wrong interpretations and disrespect towards Dhan Dhan Guru Ji, as these practices are very common on the internet. people will pose like they know all and are very dharmi karmi but are actually there to misguide and confuse the masses especially the new learners....



humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and International Akaali Jee!

Quote "That is your choice if you do need to use similies or metaphors."
It is God's Will. An individual's ego feels it is his choice. Jise bujhaae naankaa . . .

Quote "So what are you saying guru sahib is not capable of having diffrent writing styles?"
Bhaykdhaarees not only hide behind a pseudo name but also express their views on the name of others.
This is your analysis, words and wish that Balbir Singh should have written this. International Akaali has written it actually.

Quote "You are right the guru does speak truth and they can speak it through metaphors and similies why do you have an objection to this?"
It is again your mind that is objecting and blocking to experience Guru's words.

Quote "The refrence is above. Guru sahib is the only person who can give us naam."
I hope someone has understood it. The true Guru transfers Naam. He does not sell it.

Quote "You cant your imagination is very limited so what can i do?"
Worry about yours.

Quote "Like i said before and said again whats your objection?"
My posts are for those who are looking forward to receiving true Naam through Gurdev, not for those who want to purchase it.

Quote "Wait hold on a second, sometimes you say guru sahib doesnt need metaphors and similies and now you say veesahai is a metaphor?"
Strange, some feel they are smarter than God allows them to be.

Quote "Do you got a problem with calling it mangla charan?"
I asked who is your Guru who said it was Mangla Charan. True Sikhs do not hesitate the answer?

Quote "The main concept behind the shabad is to become drowned in naam which is only obtained through the guru."
It seems their desire has drowned them deep.

Quote "As this is the only true purchase."
O really, drowning is purchasing.

Quote "I dont know why you find this so objectionable it is a very straight forward concept."
It is not the Guru's notion. It is the manipulated explanation from business minds to run their shops.

Quote "Oh wait theres no point in reading Shri guru granth sahib ji to you as you think it is just a waste of time. As quoted before on this forum."
Please do not try to express your mind on my name. Why have you not quoted my words? This may prove it why your mind is expert in manipulating.
Why do you not write your desire directly that people should stop reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee so that your Baabaas can run their business smoothly?

Quote "So why do you keep refrencing guru sahibs bani over and over again when it is a waste of time to read over 1430 pages to you balbir?"
Have you still not recognized God's Will?

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Those who are blessed with true Simran are thankful to Godly force called Naam that shatters ego continuously.
Others are interested in attacking persons envying them.

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Quote from Surinder Jee " . . . actually they are there to misguide and confuse the masses especially the new learners...."
Please take care of your children. Prepare yourself to satisfy their curiosity.

Balbir Singh


Balbir Singh Ji,
Please keep the discussion healthy.
You are also being reminded not to indulge in personal vendetta.

Also, you have a track record of avoiding answering the queries (put forward to you) in a constructive way. It takes both sides to make a good debate. The purpose should be to educate the youth in a non-mysterious way.

~ namjap ~

 

[simpy]

Veer Balbir writes,

Please take care of your children. Prepare yourself to satisfy their curiosity.

Waheguru Sache Patshah is taking care of His children, you dont need to request me neech to do so, neither you need to caution me, as Chaugird hamaare Raamkaar Dukh Lagay Na Bhaee.........


Waheguru Rakha Hai Balbir Ji..............


but anyways you worried about them, thanks a lot veer Balbir.


Veer Balbir Ji says:

My posts are for those who are looking forward to receiving true Naam through Gurdev, not for those who want to purchase it.

you dont need to worry about others veer Balbir Ji, Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is THE GIVER and Dhan Dhan GURU JI's SEVAKS are the recievers..... WHO IS BALBIR SINGH??????????

Das Tere Ki Baintee Rid Kar Parkas, Tumri Kirpa Te Paarbrahm Dokhan ko Naas.......................................


Waheguru Rakha mere veer


humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

 

[International Akaali]

I am busy right now i will be on later but i got to say one thing, that balbir like i said before you did not answer my question on veesahai and totally ignored it, you sometimes say metaphor are acceptable and sometimes you say metaphors are not. Please clairfy yourself to the best of your ability so myself and the fellow members on this forum can understand a word you are saying as i predict you are gonna say a bunch of non-sense which isn't going to make sense as you have no answer.

I will be back to reply to your entire post as well later on.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and International Akaali Jee!

These are my views from the post #73 of this thread.
People perhaps do not understand Guru's Vaak and call it a simile or metaphor.
The true Gurus speak truth. Truth does not need a simile or metaphor to express.

The word Vesaahu is not a metaphor. People use this word often in Punjabi language.
Somebody is not sure and does not believe it. A person gives him the proof and says 'hun tainoo vesaahu aayaa'.

Pakhandee Baabaas were never able to transfer the truth of Naam to anybody. That is why they chose for the translations that are now available, in my observation.

Please answer to my questions to save the true Sikhi without worrying if those are right or wrong.


Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Sache Paatshah De Panna # 23:
Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev ji Sache Paatshah De Paavan Bachan


ਵਣਜੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਹੋ ਵਖਰੁ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥
ਤੈਸੀ ਵਸਤੁ ਵਿਸਾਹੀਐ ਜੈਸੀ ਨਿਬਹੈ ਨਾਲਿ ॥
ਅਗੈ ਸਾਹੁ ਸੁਜਾਣੁ ਹੈ ਲੈਸੀ ਵਸਤੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥੧॥




Vanaj Karo VanJaareo Vakhar Leho Smaahl
Taisee Vast Vesaaheeay Jaisee Nibhay Naal
Aggay Sah Sujaan Hai Laisee Vast Smaahl.......



and Rahaao Di Tuk in this Shabad is:



ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਵਖਰੁ ਲੈ ਚਲਹੁ ਸਹੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥


Bhaee Re Raam Kaho Chit Laaey. Har Jas Vakhar Le Chalay Sahu Dekhe Pateeaaey


humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev.
Please explain what is your understanding of these Vaaks. Many readers do not understand Gurbaanee. They will be thankful for your explanation.

Balbir Singh

 

[simpy]

Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Sache Paatshah De Panna # 157:
Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev ji Sache Paatshah De Paavan Bachan




ਗਉੜੀ ਬੈਰਾਗਣਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
ਹਰਣੀ ਹੋਵਾ ਬਨਿ ਬਸਾ ਕੰਦ ਮੂਲ ਚੁਣਿ ਖਾਉ ॥
ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਹੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਾਰਿ ਵਾਰਿ ਹਉ ਜਾਉ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥


Harni Hova Ban Basaan Kand Mool Chun Khao
GurParsaadi Mera Sah u Milay Vaar Vaar Hau jau Jeeo



ਮੈ ਬਨਜਾਰਨਿ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ॥
ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਖਰੁ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ ਜੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Mai Banjaaran Raam Ki
Tera Naam Vakhar Vapaar Jee

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

 

[Sikh80]

jgu moih bwDw bhuqI Awsw ] (412-4, Awsw, mÚ 1)
The world is bound by its attachments to the many desires.
gurmqI ieik Bey audwsw ] (412-4, Awsw, mÚ 1)
Through the Guru's Teachings, some become free of desire.

 

[Sikh80]

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[Sikh80]

Dnu jobnu Aru PulVw nwTIAVy idn cwir ] (23-5, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Wealth, the beauty of youth and flowers are guests for only a few days.
pbix kyry pq ijau Fil Fuil juMmxhwr ]1] (23-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Like the leaves of the water-lily, they wither and fade and finally die. ||1||
rMgu mwix lY ipAwirAw jw jobnu nau hulw ] (23-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Be happy, dear beloved, as long as your youth is fresh and delightful.
idn QoVVy Qky BieAw purwxw colw ]1] rhwau ] (23-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
But your days are few-you have grown weary, and now your body has grown old. ||1||Pause||

 

[Sikh80]

sjx myry rMguly jwie suqy jIrwix ] (23-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
My playful friends have gone to sleep in the graveyard.
hM BI vM\w fumxI rovw JIxI bwix ]2] (23-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
In my double-mindedness, I shall have to go as well. I cry in a feeble voice. ||2||
kI n suxyhI gorIey Awpx kMnI soie ] (23-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Haven't you heard the call from beyond, O beautiful soul-bride?
lgI Awvih swhurY inq n pyeIAw hoie ]3] (23-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
You must go to your in-laws; you cannot stay with your parents forever. ||3||
nwnk suqI pyeIAY jwxu ivrqI sMin ] (23-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, know that she who sleeps in her parents' home is plundered in broad daylight.
guxw gvweI gMTVI Avgx clI bMin ]4]24] (23-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
She has lost her bouquet of merits; gathering one of demerits, she departs. ||4||24||

 

[spnadmin]

Respected members

Thought that I started a Discussion Group yesterday. But it isn't there in Groups. So I must have done it wrong. Will try again and get back to you.

 

[Sikh80]

What is this Discussion Group? Something new?

 

[Astroboy]

Click here > Main Banjaran Ram Ki

 

[spnadmin]

Sikh80 ji

It is the group we were talking about yesterday. I tried to create it after leaving the thread, but was not successful. Once I figure it out, I will let you know. So you and others can find it easily. Maybe it wasn't approved yet. It has to be approved by Admin.